On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 4:46 PM Ali Abdul Ghani <
blade.vp2020@gmail.com> wrote:
in fact we must make new tipe from Marks
to free names
:-)
2015-04-17 13:16 جرينتش-07:00, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES <aurelien@hackers.camp>:
> Something should be possible like
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__creativecommons.org_licenses_by-2Dsa_4.0_deed.en&d=AwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=aooPgTecO_tIgJ2nx4taSTgcuX0q9Ygd11IDpo9UZU0&m=gW79XO1FX2OKKxVz6jV0QpFqTPP2zKZWCNOPbWuDyfU&s=6icblrTf_puw-zIBh09L5_5cxuKQgI4NqxPymke0EKU&e= but for LibreMark
> :-)
>
> Plato have explain the importance of the words ... Plato was not a fool.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Ali Abdul Ghani <blade.vp2020@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> if some people make trademark to this names
>>
>> Aaron Wolf
>> Aurélien DESBRIÈRES
>> rms
>> ali
>> rose
>> bull
>> what should we do?
>> lol
>> in fact There is no clear law to use names in trademark
>> English language like Software it must be free
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> 2015-04-17 9:52 جرينتش-07:00, Aaron Wolf <wolftune@riseup.net>:
>>> That link says it is expired. Anyway, I searched for "god" and
>>> "freedom". I see no trademarks on those words. Nor can they be
>>> trademarked. They can only be used in specific terms like "Freedom
>>> Juice" and "Freedom Studios" and "Freedom Tower".
>>>
>>> The simple fact that there are 4980 results for "freedom" show that
>>> nobody controls the simple word "freedom".
>>>
>>> Regardless, if you find bad trademark examples, that's no different from
>>> other laws being used badly. I'm sure some trademarks get through that
>>> should have been rejected and might be judged invalid if taken to
>>> court.
>>>
>>> On 04/17/2015 09:42 AM, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES wrote:
>>>> the official uspto search engine
>>>>
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tmsearch.uspto.gov_bin_gate.exe-3Ff-3Dsearchss-26state-3D4809-3Aeeiwnn.1.1&d=AwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=aooPgTecO_tIgJ2nx4taSTgcuX0q9Ygd11IDpo9UZU0&m=gW79XO1FX2OKKxVz6jV0QpFqTPP2zKZWCNOPbWuDyfU&s=qBWgYBfBgeUlHH0CgOmb6V3Azs7bWrRaVWAF5LR3X8o&e=
>>>>
>>>> have fun and don't cry
>>>>
>>>> Aaron Wolf <wolftune@riseup.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Citations? Who has trademarked those words? I don't believe you that
>>>>> anyone has gotten legal trademark of those.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 04/17/2015 09:33 AM, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES wrote:
>>>>>> Normal words cannot be trademark you say ... some people have
>>>>>> trademark
>>>>>> god christ freedom free ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "normality" is what is not for some others ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aaron Wolf <wolftune@riseup.net> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One clarification: To say simply: While Trademark is important, Git
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> *abusing* their trademark by not simply accept GitBull quickly. The
>>>>>>> situation is stupid. Git had *no* reason to stop a Kallithea host
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> using a Git name, and trademark law should not give them that level
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> power. If a service is fully and completely using Git software and
>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>> nothing that misrepresents their relationship to Git, they should be
>>>>>>> accepted. However, Git *should* have the ability to complain and
>>>>>>> stop
>>>>>>> the service from using the name if they start doing anything that
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> be confused.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think instead of stopping the use of the name, Git should simply
>>>>>>> require a statement like "This service uses Git software but is not
>>>>>>> officially connected to the Git project or endorsed by the Git
>>>>>>> project."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 04/17/2015 09:13 AM, Aaron Wolf wrote:
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the news.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please learn more about trademark though. Trademark is NOT owning
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> word. Normal words cannot be trademarked, and trademark isn't full
>>>>>>>> ownership of words. The Git project does not own the word "Git" if
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> were used for something like a brand of ice cream. They do not own
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> word in terms of people talking about the Git project. The do not
>>>>>>>> control it completely. They have exclusive control over only a
>>>>>>>> small
>>>>>>>> area: the use of the word Git for *products* and *services* that
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the area where people could confuse them for being official Git
>>>>>>>> products
>>>>>>>> or services.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In other words, trademark is a *consumer protection*. It helps make
>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>> that the public are not tricked into thinking something is an
>>>>>>>> official
>>>>>>>> version or officially endorsed part of something when it is not.
>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>> does not make anyone a slave.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By complaining to you, Git was saying: "We don't know that we fully
>>>>>>>> endorse your GitBull service, and we are worried that the public
>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>> think your service has official connection to the Git project. So,
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> want to restrict the name Git here because we want people to know
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> if they see Git in the name of something similar to or related to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Git project that it isn't a fake thing or a trick or something."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, *I* think it is wrong for Git to do anything other than
>>>>>>>> realize
>>>>>>>> that GitBull was fine. But I do *not* think they should have no
>>>>>>>> trademark. I do *not* want someone else less responsible than you
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> make Git-something that actually uses Git badly or pretends to be
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> Git when it is actually not Git software but something similar but
>>>>>>>> different. That might make people have bad experience and think
>>>>>>>> badly
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> Git. Trademark is GOOD for the public, which is not true for
>>>>>>>> patents
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> copyright.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 04/17/2015 02:02 AM, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello Coders!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So ... on start this thread wake up with Alimiracle who request
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> support for fully free solution for his codes host.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is right that many solution already exist, but they are not all
>>>>>>>>> completly free or try to be, but are not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We try on our side to make this place a reality, which represent
>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>> trouble, but, find the way with kallithea.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At first we have used the name gitbull, git for the tool ... bull
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the horns of the gnu beast.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But freedom is not the same in the mind of every humans.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Software Freedom Conservancy ping me (very correctly) but ping
>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> the fact we use the term git and the point that git is trademark.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That make me discover that many things are trademark and by the
>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>> ping
>>>>>>>>> LibrePlanet to act on LibreMark.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We can't own a name, because to make it short if i own the name
>>>>>>>>> earth
>>>>>>>>> you are all my slave. If I own the name fire, your ass will freeze
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A bit strong form of explanation, but simple enought to say that
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> not because you own a word that in front the reality of this know
>>>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>>> of the bubble universes where we live it is the reality.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You don't own anything, but yes you can use the force to jail me.
>>>>>>>>> Very
>>>>>>>>> human and in human by the way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We push all our things to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__bull.codes&d=AwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=aooPgTecO_tIgJ2nx4taSTgcuX0q9Ygd11IDpo9UZU0&m=gW79XO1FX2OKKxVz6jV0QpFqTPP2zKZWCNOPbWuDyfU&s=5q3J4Cvx3xfi6RVoTiPo_wUNXAH3-RVyYiwTSP3O0Pg&e=
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and continue to make the things free as in freedom and price.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I understand that this last point is very difficult for some
>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> understand, but if you think of this planet 7000 years before
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>> no money and things were not so bad.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe money is the chain of slavery you just don't have ping in
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Welcome to our Free Coding Community, Welcome to Bull Codes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__bull.codes&d=AwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=aooPgTecO_tIgJ2nx4taSTgcuX0q9Ygd11IDpo9UZU0&m=gW79XO1FX2OKKxVz6jV0QpFqTPP2zKZWCNOPbWuDyfU&s=5q3J4Cvx3xfi6RVoTiPo_wUNXAH3-RVyYiwTSP3O0Pg&e=
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign>
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