Re: What would be the most complete GNUStep system?

[Gregory Casamento]

James,

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:16 AM, James Carthew <jcarthew@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just to add a bit to my previous post. What is the "correct" way to handle
> System Preferences.app? is it to make a different plugin for each OS for
> video/audio/networking and have the user choose hich bundle to install? or
> is it to make wrapper libraries for Sound/Video/Networking and have a common
> interface to the System Preferences bundle?

The SystemPreferences.framework is actually an implementation of the
one on the Mac so the interface is the same.   What I would recommend
is to implement one plugin for each thing you want to add to
preferences: audio, resolution, etc.  In those plugins you should
implement the operating system specific stuff either with #ifdefs or
by compiling different files (via the makefile) on different platforms
to handle the platform specifics.

> On 30 October 2014 15:12, James Carthew <jcarthew@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Realistically GNUStep is not ready to replace OSX by a long way. I was
>> experimenting with doing so for a long time, but there hasn't been enough
>> changes to the core components of the system yet, a lot more focus is on API
>> features than application features. (System Preferences exists but lacks
>> everything useful: Screen Resolution
>> Changing/multimonitor/Wireless/Networking(Network manager or equivalent,
>> wrapped)/Sound(Pulseaudio Wrapper)).
>> The GWorkspace application is quite good, but could be tweaked to be more
>> like the Mac Finder. It already has everything you really need.
>>
>> The big dealbreaker for me is Vespucci.app, realistically a web browser is
>> critical to using gnustep on a daily basis, and right now it just doesn't
>> have one. There used to be Mantella under Etoile which wrapped Firefox into
>> a gnustep window which was pretty decent. But the subsystem of firefox it
>> used has been deprecated so the code no longer works.
>>
>> A multi-tabbed terminal.app would also fix a lot of the frustration in
>> using GNUStep as a standalone desktop system.
>>
>> I think GNUStep is going to remain a useful tool for porting Mac apps to
>> Linux/other platforms, but outside of that, is going to remain very niche as
>> a desktop system because it hasn't got the desktop system in place yet.
>> Also, I know that my above post looks like I favor Linux as the underlying
>> system giving examples such as PulseAudio/Network Manager, but I would
>> actually prefer if the System Preferences area was able to wrap Windows/Mac
>> and Linux systems equally.
>>
>> On 29 October 2014 09:56, Matt Rice <ratmice@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:39 PM, David Chisnall <theraven@sucs.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> > On 27 Oct 2014, at 21:04, Asiga Nael <asiganael@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> Regarding app bundles, that's a desktop thing, not an OS thing, so
>>> >> that can be done from GNUstep.
>>> >
>>> > Well, kind of.  To really do it properly, you also want framework
>>> > bundles, and that requires some rtld patching to allow looking for 
>>> > libraries
>>> > in the correct place (not just lib/*.so, but following the symlinks inside
>>> > the framework bundles).  GNUstep implements framework bundles in a fairly
>>> > hacky way.
>>>
>>> In theory its possible to do without changing some rtld implementations
>>> (glibc almost, and solaris definitely) by using an rtld-audit library,
>>> glibc's rtld needs to be extended to support DT_DEPAUDIT I have a
>>> patch somewhere for this if someone really wants to take a go at it...
>>>
>>> then you can throw the framework support inside a dynamically loaded
>>> shared lib...
>>>
>>> there is this here i threw together a number of years ago, not sure if
>>> it all still compiles
>>>
>>> https://gitorious.org/framework-plugin-4gcc
>>>
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