Re: Plans for ahead

[Gregory Casamento]

Tito,

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Tito Mari Francis Escaño
<titomarifrancis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Based on the flow of the thread, the discussion is basically going around:
> 1. Usability
> 2. Themability
> 3. More applications
>
> For usability, I would like to raise my question: what's with Etoile?
> Is it already dead? I think there were many advances made within
> Etoile that would be very valuable to the GNUstep system. I think the
> usability issue is more around the user perception of the window
> manager. If anybody wants to replace it, I suggest the look and feel
> of the classic Mac and BeOS.

Etoile isn't dead, see David's answer.   But on this point I would
like to add that I believe that GNUstep needs a dedicated desktop
project.  Whether this is part of GNUstep itself or not.  It needs to
be an official desktop.

> On themability, I think the look and feel of GNUstep is what makes
> GNUstep what it is, hate it or love it. I think the problem is more on
> having a desktop environment with more GNUstep-native applications,
> including but not limited to web browser, office suite and development
> tools.

Heh.  GNUstep's look is UGLY.   The fact that I was a developer on
NeXT machines 20 years ago and that I am the maintainer should add
some weight to my opinion.  People are turned off by the default look
of the framework out of the box.  Period.   As for a desktop
environment, I answered that above.   Apps will come if we make our
framework attractive and enticing enough for people to actually want
to use it.  Yes, we have to have enough apps to attract users as well,
so it's a circular relationship, but thus far the ugly out of the box
look has done nothing but bring us grief.

> On having more applications, I think the core and support libraries
> should be guaranteed stable and mature APIs. The Etoile-provided
> reference applications are awesome and would highlight the power and
> flexibility of the core GNUstep that can only be envied by other
> desktop environments.

Indeed.

> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 6:47 PM, James Carthew <jcarthew@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Window maker doesn't play well with GNUstep...It only works if you want to
>> use GNUstep as a Next desktop environment. When running with Windows
>> menustyle or Macintosh menustyle it's completely broken. GNUstep needs a
>> GNUstep window manager which will allow you to switch between those menu
>> styles in a sane and consistent manner.
>>
>> On 2 December 2015 at 23:42, Svetlana A. Tkachenko
>> <svetlana@members.fsf.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Window maker sucks, it does not play nice with gnome/kde apps, its too
>>> > outdated I guess it does not follow the open desktop standards..
>>>
>>> I do not know about standards, but wmaker has been the nicest window
>>> manager I used thus far. I do not want to put effort into changing it
>>> just for the sake of singing along with gnome or kde nicely. I wrote a
>>> new thread on this list about this question.
>>>
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