Re: [edu-eu] FWB: Foss with benefits

[L.Cecilie Wian]

So had a look at it. First of all, when looking at it i will have to look at it in seperate pieces. 

The r-pi-firewall Autoteach and payment. 

And the other programs. 

AT: Simple is better, while wanting the parents (users) to be able steer the payments to whatever program they prefer is a nice idea, i fear the complexity may kill it. So picking up some experience from other applications: Spotify. The base idea is that the artist i play gets the money, in addition they have a really intricate payment structure, that i , as the user, never sees. And i am pretty happy with that. Flatter, a system i love the idea of, became to much work, and i forgot about it. So how about making it an system setting that can be changed? Autodistribute based on usage, and then forced distribution of the user is interested? (what happens if they do not distribute payments?)

The programs:

I am mostly curious about your Forced reader. It seems like you got a new way of thinking about this. And thats good, this is a difficult problem, since, well, making it easy and automated (so the parents have an easy job) while still ensure the wanted action is taken. 

The program description, way to long and intricate, i assume it is b/c it is a draft, and that you will sharpen it. Take a look at some other project description pages for things backed. Ops! I see you allready lanched the kickstarting for this. Can you make changes to the project when it is started? 

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Charles Cossé <address@hidden> wrote:

Hi Cecilie,

Thanks for your latest inputs.  I'm glad we've ironed-out the semantics and misunderstandings.  I will revise my terminology on the homepage to reflect the good advice so-far in this conversation.  I am UTC-7 here, i.e. 2am, so please replace "non-commercial"  with "GPL-v3 / FOSS" until I have the opportunity tomorrow morning to make those revisions.  Thank you, again, for your input.

Charles

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 1:39 AM, L.Cecilie Wian <address@hidden> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 9:29 AM, L.Cecilie Wian <address@hidden> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Charles Cossé <address@hidden> wrote:

Thank you Michael :)

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 12:39 AM, Michael Kesper <address@hidden> wrote:

Hi all,

Am 05.02.2015 um 08:12 schrieb L.Cecilie Wian:

Now I may sound like I got bitten by Richard, but,  you keep saying
"open source",  not "free software". That matters. At least when you
send out  on this list.

I will probably take a look at your project,  but it doesn't feel like
you are listening to marko . And you should.

Please please read your comments again.
I'm very sad to hear such harsh comments when somebody proposes a tool for propagating knowledge about Free Software.

I meant to be strict, not rude. 

And i was annoyed by phrasing, where developers and parents was invited to the discussion, not everyone on the list, thus disregarding the input you got. Glad that was not your intention. 

@Charles: Thanks for the info about your project!
I think it's better to not create false dichotomies in people's mind:
- Free Software (aka open source) is always commercially useable, that's freedom 0
- FSFE absolutely encourages building business models on creating, spreading, studying, using or improving Free Software!
- As there's no free lunch, you've got to have some way to accept money if you want to build a sustaining infrastructure

So, I'd cut out the "non-commercial" attribute and would paraphrase it differently, better explaining what you mean.

It looks like i'm missing an email here? 

Anyway, i'll go a little back and talk a littlebit about the semantics, because when getting into EDU what seems like a detail is huge. 

The non-comercial part is at first glance a good way of ensuring no-one takes your good ideas and run of with them, while ensuring the intended audience get to use the software. However be aware that a lot of schools and educators are actually in private sector and NC in a licence keeps them from being allowed to use it, b/c they make money out of education. The other way to go about it is the GPL, and since you say you want that i think we are getting somewhere intressting. 

I'll have a closer look at your project now. 

When it comes to the very little amount of edu-software (on the list, but also everywhere else), it is so b/c it is a really hard thing to do. Not only to make technically a good solution, but one that interact with humans with edu in mind. However it is not impossible. 

By the way, i think it is a good idea to take the inputs about the software perhaps directly or via videoconferance. So we don't fill everyones inbox with technical details. Or?

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