Re: fancy-splash-screen customize group...

[Luc Teirlinck]

Lennart Borgman wrote:

   I always use the top buttons for changing things. Though I seldom use 
   customize-group to change anything.

Sorry, I somehow forgot to say that the problems I pointed out apply
to the whole buffer buttons in _group_ buffers (actually, most of them
apply to any Custom buffer with more than one option).  In as far as I
know they are safe to use in buffers with an individual option or face
and I use them myself in such buffers.

The fact that three out of the five buttons were no-ops during most of
their existence and that nobody noticed applies to _group_ buffers.

The fact that I am afraid that the whole buffer buttons could all of a
sudden start recursively descending into subgroups by somebody making
some apparently unrelated change for completely unrelated reasons
applies to all buffers that can contain subgroups, that is, not only
group buffers, but also buffers you get with, for instance,
customize-apropos.

   May I then suggest that we start using these buttons and Custom in
   general? I have already done so for quite a while.

I do use Custom extensively, but I never use the whole buffer buttons,
_except_ in single option buffers.  Since you essentially only use
Custom in such buffers, you are actually in the same situation that I
am, for different reasons.  Though I have actually (carefully, I hope)
fixed a bug in them on one occasion, I do not like to spend a lot of
time studying and debugging these whole buffer buttons in non-single
option buffers, since I believe that they are bad design in non-single
option buffers to begin with.

   Though I seldom use customize-group to change anything. I use it
   however to get an overview over options (though the current layout
   is not very good for that).

Have you ever used the "intended" way to find options, customize-browse
at all?  If you only use customize-{face,variable,group} or
`M-x customize', then _obviously_ things are difficult to find.

Sincerely,

Luc.