Re: Release update

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:55:59 -0500 Adrian Robert <address@hidden> wrote: 

AR> On Dec 4, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Chong Yidong wrote:

>> Ted Zlatanov <address@hidden> writes:
>> 
>>> - Emacs.app on Mac OS X crashes at random times and the error is not
>>> logged and can't be debugged.  This needs to be fixed or it's simply
>>> not possible to produce a viable environment for real work.
>> 
>> Have you tried running Emacs in a debugger?
>> 
>> Adrian, have you observed these crashes?  Do you have any idea what
>> causes them?

AR> I use Emacs.app heavily on a daily basis on 10.4 and 10.5 for English
AR> and Chinese text editing and program editing/compilation and don't get
AR> crashes.  However I don't use more complex modes like gud, gnus, and
AR> image-viewing.  (Though I was using ecb for a while.)  I don't know
AR> what the problem would be but if it is intermittent all I can suggest
AR> is building with no optimization, just -g, to get a better stack
AR> trace, and running from gdb (cd emacs/src ; gdb ../nextstep/Emacs.app/
AR> Contents/MacOS/Emacs).

I ran Emacs.app for a day under the debugger, using Gnus and other
tools, and it worked all right without crashes.  It may be a difference
between my command-line setup and starting it from the MacOS Finder.
I'll keep testing and write back if I find anything useful.

The part where "the error can't be logged or debugged" is the bigger
concern IMO.  Adrian, what needs to happen to have the Emacs.app bundle
(the one users will open) produce usable core files and log messages?
I'll help any way I can.

Ted