Re: [Freecycle-users] Using Freecycle and a sequencer (e.g. Muse/Rosegarden)

[Daniel Browne]

Predrag,

Thanks.  I've read a little more on the structure of soundfonts and
with your advice here, I'll give it another shot tonight.  I
understand that the more samples you add, the more accurate your
sounds will be (since pitch shifting is a lossy process) - but this is
more relevant if you are creating an instrument such as a piano which
is just one instrument at different pitches.

In my case, I'm using different drum sounds taken from Freecycle and
want them all available in a soundfont rather than just one instrument
at different pitches.  Is this why I just want a keyzone of just one
semitone for each sound/sample - so no pitch shifting takes place and
in my sequencer, two adjacent keys will have different drum sounds? 
Does this sound like I have the correct understanding?

Thanks again for your help.

Cheers,
Daniel.

On 11/08/05, Predrag Viceic <address@hidden> wrote:
> You should not only load the samples but also create an instrument, assign
> keyzones and define a preset. I know that this can be quite "time consuming"
> to stay polite, that's why I'm seriously thinking about providing an sf2
> export from freecycle. The problem is that libinstpatch (swami's sounfont
> managing lib) depends heavily on gnome, and for the sake of portability, I
> don't want to mess with gnome. (No pun intended)
> 
> Cheers,
> Predrag
> 
> 
> Le Jeudi 11 Août 2005 10:17, Daniel Browne a écrit:
> > In fact it is a newer version of Freecycle - sorry about that.  I know
> > I'm using Muse and Fluidsynth correclty as when following the same
> > process | can use other soundfonts fine.  I just think I'm perhaps
> > creating the soundfont incorrectly?  From my steps give, does it sound
> > like I'm missing any vital stage in creating the soundfount?
> >
> > Unfortunately the documentation that comes with Swami is on the thin side.
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
> > Daniel.
> >
> > On 11/08/05, Predrag Viceic <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > * Freecycle 0.1
> > >
> > > ?!?
> > >
> > > Independently of swami, I think you should upgrade Freecycle to at least
> > > 0.41 ..
> > >
> > > Concerning your fluidsynth problems, are you sure that you have correctly
> > > set up your jack outputs?
> > >
> > > P
> > >
> > > Le Jeudi 11 Août 2005 00:54, vous avez écrit:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Using Swami, I tried to create a soundfont for use in Fluidsynth in
> > > > Muse, however I can't get any sound.  Can you point me at any
> > > > documentation/tutorials for Swami?
> > > >
> > > > Here is what I did:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Started Swami.
> > > > 2. File->New.
> > > > 3. Expanded the tree and right-clicked on "Samples".
> > > > 4. I then loaded the .wav files created by Freecycle.
> > > > 5. Once all loaded, if I click on select one, then click the keyboard
> > > > I hear the sample.
> > > >     Depending on where I click the keyboard the pitvh of the sample
> > > > changes (clicking on
> > > >     the one with the blues square plays the sample at the normal pitch
> > > > - c1?) 6. When I click the sample, I can see a triangle pointing to a
> > > > specific key and so for each
> > > >     sample I move te marker up one key.
> > > > 7. Save soundfount (I can't seem to save to a new name though - it's
> > > > always "untitled.sf2")
> > > > 8. Attempt to use in Muse with Fluidsynth like any other soundfont.
> > > >
> > > > But at this point I get no sound.  I can get sound using other
> > > > soundfonts that I have downloaded.
> > > >
> > > > Do I need to do anything with the midi file that I have created using
> > > > Freecycle (I created a midi track in Muse to control Fluidsynth and
> > > > the soundfont)?
> > > >
> > > > Do I need to do some more things in Swami?
> > > >
> > > > I'm using:
> > > >
> > > > * Swami 0.9.2
> > > > * Freecycle 0.1
> > > > * Muse 0.71
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Daniel.
> > > >
> > > > On 10/08/05, Predrag Viceic <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > I gather an AKAI is some hardware synth?  I plan to try the soft
> > > > > > synth option.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.akaipro.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think I will givce this a try.  I gather I swami is as found at
> > > > > > http://swami.sourceforge.net?
> > > > >
> > > > > exactly.
> > > > >
> > > > > > By this do you just mean importing the .wavs?
> > > > >
> > > > > you got it!
> > > > >
> > > > > Predrag
> > > > >
> > > > > Le Mercredi 10 Août 2005 13:22, Daniel Browne a écrit:
> > > > > > Thanks for your prompt reply.  Please see some further questions
> > > > > > inline below.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Daniel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 10/08/05, Predrag Viceic <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Daniel,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In order to use Freecycle 0.41 alpha with the sequencer you have
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A)
> > > > > > > 1) save chunks + export midifile + export AKP
> > > > > > > 2) copy AKP + chunks to your AKAI and play AKAI from your
> > > > > > > sequencer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I gather an AKAI is some hardware synth?  I plan to try the soft
> > > > > > synth option.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > B)
> > > > > > > 1) save chunks + export midifile
> > > > > > > 2) Use swami to assign chunks to midi notes (starting at C1,
> > > > > > > every halftone) 3) save soundfont and play trough fluidsynth
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think I will givce this a try.  I gather I swami is as found at
> > > > > > http://swami.sourceforge.net?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > C)
> > > > > > > Align chunks one after another (or quantize) in your sequencer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By this do you just mean importing the .wavs?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'll look into compiling up the latest version once I've got the
> > > > > > basics working.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daniel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The cvs version (0.5alpha) has many new features among which the
> > > > > > > ability to assign a midi note to every locked beatline and then
> > > > > > > play directly by sending midi note events to Freecycle. In order
> > > > > > > to compile you have to 1) install portaudio
> > > > > > > 2)install portmidi
> > > > > > > You have to change some code in portmidi's pmlinuxalsa.c in order
> > > > > > > to enable
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > runtime midi interface discovery (and to avoid a memoryleak):
> > > > > > > > in pmlinuxalsa.c :
> > > > > > > > ----------------8<-----------------------8<-------------------8
> > > > > > > ><--- ---- ---- --- void pm_linuxalsa_term(void)
> > > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > >     snd_seq_close(seq);
> > > > > > > > //added
> > > > > > > >     free(descriptors);
> > > > > > > >     descriptors=NULL;
> > > > > > > >     pm_descriptor_index=0;
> > > > > > > >     pm_descriptor_max=0;
> > > > > > > > //end added
> > > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > > ----------------8<-----------------------8<-------------------8
> > > > > > > ><--- ---- ----
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This future new release of Freecycle has many bugfixes and adss
> > > > > > > the posibility to drag and drop wave chunks (samples between two
> > > > > > > locked beatlines) to/from/ within freecycle. It also stacks all
> > > > > > > the droped samples, so you can realy forge your own loop. It also
> > > > > > > provides a quite powerfull scene management.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you have further questions/problems please don't hesitate to
> > > > > > > ask,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > Predrag
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Le Mercredi 10 Août 2005 10:17, Daniel Browne a écrit:
> > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I was wondering if someone can describe how Freecycle can be
> > > > > > > > used in conjunction with the likes of Muse.  After opening a
> > > > > > > > .wav in Freecycle and making edits, I save as a midi file, but
> > > > > > > > not quite sure what to do next? When I import the midi file
> > > > > > > > into Muse and play, I can't hear anything.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks in advances.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Daniel.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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