Re: [Freecycle-users] Using Freecycle and a sequencer (e.g. Muse/Rosegarden)

[Predrag Viceic]

> In my case, I'm using different drum sounds taken from Freecycle and
> want them all available in a soundfont rather than just one instrument
> at different pitches.  Is this why I just want a keyzone of just one
> semitone for each sound/sample - so no pitch shifting takes place and
> in my sequencer, two adjacent keys will have different drum sounds?
> Does this sound like I have the correct understanding?

In swami terms, you want an instrument with n keyzones each conaining one non 
pitched sample.

Sample ->right button ->load samples

Instruments->righ button ->new instrument

Select all the samples and then

Instuments->New item->Paste


Then the hard work begins..you have to set up all the keyzones...

P

Le Jeudi 11 Août 2005 14:34, vous avez écrit :
> Predrag,
>
> Thanks.  I've read a little more on the structure of soundfonts and
> with your advice here, I'll give it another shot tonight.  I
> understand that the more samples you add, the more accurate your
> sounds will be (since pitch shifting is a lossy process) - but this is
> more relevant if you are creating an instrument such as a piano which
> is just one instrument at different pitches.
>
> In my case, I'm using different drum sounds taken from Freecycle and
> want them all available in a soundfont rather than just one instrument
> at different pitches.  Is this why I just want a keyzone of just one
> semitone for each sound/sample - so no pitch shifting takes place and
> in my sequencer, two adjacent keys will have different drum sounds?
> Does this sound like I have the correct understanding?
>
> Thanks again for your help.
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel.
>
> On 11/08/05, Predrag Viceic <address@hidden> wrote:
> > You should not only load the samples but also create an instrument,
> > assign keyzones and define a preset. I know that this can be quite "time
> > consuming" to stay polite, that's why I'm seriously thinking about
> > providing an sf2 export from freecycle. The problem is that libinstpatch
> > (swami's sounfont managing lib) depends heavily on gnome, and for the
> > sake of portability, I don't want to mess with gnome. (No pun intended)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Predrag
> >
> > Le Jeudi 11 Août 2005 10:17, Daniel Browne a écrit:
> > > In fact it is a newer version of Freecycle - sorry about that.  I know
> > > I'm using Muse and Fluidsynth correclty as when following the same
> > > process | can use other soundfonts fine.  I just think I'm perhaps
> > > creating the soundfont incorrectly?  From my steps give, does it sound
> > > like I'm missing any vital stage in creating the soundfount?
> > >
> > > Unfortunately the documentation that comes with Swami is on the thin
> > > side.
> > >
> > > Thanks again.
> > >
> > > Daniel.
> > >
> > > On 11/08/05, Predrag Viceic <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > * Freecycle 0.1
> > > >
> > > > ?!?
> > > >
> > > > Independently of swami, I think you should upgrade Freecycle to at
> > > > least 0.41 ..
> > > >
> > > > Concerning your fluidsynth problems, are you sure that you have
> > > > correctly set up your jack outputs?
> > > >
> > > > P
> > > >
> > > > Le Jeudi 11 Août 2005 00:54, vous avez écrit:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > Using Swami, I tried to create a soundfont for use in Fluidsynth in
> > > > > Muse, however I can't get any sound.  Can you point me at any
> > > > > documentation/tutorials for Swami?
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is what I did:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Started Swami.
> > > > > 2. File->New.
> > > > > 3. Expanded the tree and right-clicked on "Samples".
> > > > > 4. I then loaded the .wav files created by Freecycle.
> > > > > 5. Once all loaded, if I click on select one, then click the
> > > > > keyboard I hear the sample.
> > > > >     Depending on where I click the keyboard the pitvh of the sample
> > > > > changes (clicking on
> > > > >     the one with the blues square plays the sample at the normal
> > > > > pitch - c1?) 6. When I click the sample, I can see a triangle
> > > > > pointing to a specific key and so for each
> > > > >     sample I move te marker up one key.
> > > > > 7. Save soundfount (I can't seem to save to a new name though -
> > > > > it's always "untitled.sf2")
> > > > > 8. Attempt to use in Muse with Fluidsynth like any other soundfont.
> > > > >
> > > > > But at this point I get no sound.  I can get sound using other
> > > > > soundfonts that I have downloaded.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do I need to do anything with the midi file that I have created
> > > > > using Freecycle (I created a midi track in Muse to control
> > > > > Fluidsynth and the soundfont)?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do I need to do some more things in Swami?
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm using:
> > > > >
> > > > > * Swami 0.9.2
> > > > > * Freecycle 0.1
> > > > > * Muse 0.71
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Daniel.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10/08/05, Predrag Viceic <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > > I gather an AKAI is some hardware synth?  I plan to try the
> > > > > > > soft synth option.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.akaipro.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think I will givce this a try.  I gather I swami is as found
> > > > > > > at http://swami.sourceforge.net?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > exactly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > By this do you just mean importing the .wavs?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you got it!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Predrag
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Le Mercredi 10 Août 2005 13:22, Daniel Browne a écrit:
> > > > > > > Thanks for your prompt reply.  Please see some further
> > > > > > > questions inline below.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > Daniel.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 10/08/05, Predrag Viceic <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi Daniel,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In order to use Freecycle 0.41 alpha with the sequencer you
> > > > > > > > have to
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A)
> > > > > > > > 1) save chunks + export midifile + export AKP
> > > > > > > > 2) copy AKP + chunks to your AKAI and play AKAI from your
> > > > > > > > sequencer
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I gather an AKAI is some hardware synth?  I plan to try the
> > > > > > > soft synth option.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > B)
> > > > > > > > 1) save chunks + export midifile
> > > > > > > > 2) Use swami to assign chunks to midi notes (starting at C1,
> > > > > > > > every halftone) 3) save soundfont and play trough fluidsynth
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think I will givce this a try.  I gather I swami is as found
> > > > > > > at http://swami.sourceforge.net?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > C)
> > > > > > > > Align chunks one after another (or quantize) in your
> > > > > > > > sequencer
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > By this do you just mean importing the .wavs?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'll look into compiling up the latest version once I've got
> > > > > > > the basics working.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daniel.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The cvs version (0.5alpha) has many new features among which
> > > > > > > > the ability to assign a midi note to every locked beatline
> > > > > > > > and then play directly by sending midi note events to
> > > > > > > > Freecycle. In order to compile you have to 1) install
> > > > > > > > portaudio
> > > > > > > > 2)install portmidi
> > > > > > > > You have to change some code in portmidi's pmlinuxalsa.c in
> > > > > > > > order to enable
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > runtime midi interface discovery (and to avoid a memoryleak):
> > > > > > > > > in pmlinuxalsa.c :
> > > > > > > > > ----------------8<-----------------------8<----------------
> > > > > > > > >---8 <--- ---- ---- --- void pm_linuxalsa_term(void)
> > > > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > > >     snd_seq_close(seq);
> > > > > > > > > //added
> > > > > > > > >     free(descriptors);
> > > > > > > > >     descriptors=NULL;
> > > > > > > > >     pm_descriptor_index=0;
> > > > > > > > >     pm_descriptor_max=0;
> > > > > > > > > //end added
> > > > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > > > ----------------8<-----------------------8<----------------
> > > > > > > > >---8 <--- ---- ----
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This future new release of Freecycle has many bugfixes and
> > > > > > > > adss the posibility to drag and drop wave chunks (samples
> > > > > > > > between two locked beatlines) to/from/ within freecycle. It
> > > > > > > > also stacks all the droped samples, so you can realy forge
> > > > > > > > your own loop. It also provides a quite powerfull scene
> > > > > > > > management.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you have further questions/problems please don't hesitate
> > > > > > > > to ask,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > Predrag
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Le Mercredi 10 Août 2005 10:17, Daniel Browne a écrit:
> > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I was wondering if someone can describe how Freecycle can
> > > > > > > > > be used in conjunction with the likes of Muse.  After
> > > > > > > > > opening a .wav in Freecycle and making edits, I save as a
> > > > > > > > > midi file, but not quite sure what to do next? When I
> > > > > > > > > import the midi file into Muse and play, I can't hear
> > > > > > > > > anything.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks in advances.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daniel.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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