Re: Overlapping ties in different voices

[Frederick Bartlett]

Trevor,

I am, indeed, using 2.18.2. I obviously should have mentioned that. Sorry!

I finally got it to work in such a way that it precisely mimics the original:

I had to add a \hideNotes:

<<

{ s1 | \once \override NoteColumn.force-hshift = 1.75 b1~ | b2 cis } \\

{ a1~ | <a a,>2 <g g,>4 <fis fis,> | <g g,>1 } \\

{ } \\

{ r2 a,~ | \once \override NoteColumn.force-hshift = 0.75 \hideNotes a \unHideNotes }

>>

Thanks again for your help!

Fred

On 8 October 2014 05:10, Trevor Daniels <address@hidden> wrote:

Fred

 

Did you not see my follow-up adding the A to reinstate the

tie?

 

Anyway, the correct solution depends on which version

you're using.  After adding back the A you might get

a warning about clashing note columns, but only in

version 2.18.

 

Keith posted a patch to 2.19 which limits the warning about clashing
note columns if the notes were actually too far apart to clash, as
they are here.  In 2.18 either use voice 4 rather than voice 3 (just
insert another \\) or add \voiceFour to remove the warning.

 

Trevor

----- Original Message -----

From: Frederick Bartlett

Cc: LilyPond Users

Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 2:12 AM

Subject: Re: Overlapping ties in different voices

I neglected to send this to the group .. sorry! Out of date anyway, since the a tie between mm 1 & 2 isn't working in Trevor's solution.

Trevor,

Your solution is what I was after. Thanks!

But -- why 2 as the parameter for force-hshift? Doesn't that mean two notehead widths?

For others -- I was looking for this:

from IMSLP305644-PMLP30753-IMSLP252089-PMLP30753-Saint_Saens-Oratorio_de_Noel-Partition_Chant_et_Piano_-_scantailored.pdf, print page 9, PDF page 11.

Thanks to all!

Fred

On 7 October 2014 18:25, Trevor Daniels <address@hidden> wrote:

Hi Fred

 

Here's the way I'd do it (if I've interpreted what you wanted correctly):

 

\relative c''' <<

  { s1 |

    \once \override NoteColumn.force-hshift = 2

    b1~ | b2 cis | }

  \\

  { a1~ | <a a,>2 <g g,>4 <fis fis,> | <g g,>1 }

 \\

  { \voiceTwo r2 a,~ | }

>>

 

Trevor

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Frederick Bartlett

To: LilyPond Users

Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 8:57 PM

Subject: Overlapping ties in different voices

Hi!

I'm trying to set selection from Saint-Saën's Oratorio de Noël for my choir.
In the Gloria in altissimis (p9 in the IMSLP PDFs), I found an odd combination of ties:

\relative c''' {
  << {           s1      | b1 ~                  | b2 cis  } \\
     {           a1 ~    | a2 s2                 | s1      } \\
     { \voiceTwo r2 a, ~ | a <g' g,>4 <fis fis,> | <g g,>1 }
  >>
}

This peculiar mess is almost right; I just need to figure out how to keep the b and a on the first beat of the second measure from colliding -- but no combination of \shiftOxxx and \once \override NoteColumn.force-hshift that I've tried has answered the case. Leaving the \voiceTwo command out prevents the collision -- but at the cost of getting many other things wrong.

To match the 19th-century original, the b should be shifted a notehead's width right.

Help?

Thanks!
Fred

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