Re: [Tlf-devel] Fw: Autosend feature - first tests

[Ervin Hegedüs - HA2OS]

Hello,

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 07:16:25AM +0100, Thomas Beierlein wrote:
> Am Tue, 12 Nov 2013 21:09:57 +0000
> schrieb FS <address@hidden>:
> 
> > I can confirm the it works very well! Congrats! I like that TLF sends 
> > the TU message after correcting the call with Backspace. And yes
> > please deactivate it for S&P.
> 
> Very well. I am glad we found a good working solution.

may be this is related to topic, but at last weekend till I used
Tlf, it was very confused when I save the QSO to log, Tlf sent
an empty message, because the CQ_TU_MESSAGE was empty...

I've discovered this feature, and changed it in src/logit.c:

https://github.com/airween/tlf/blob/waedc-qtc/src/logit.c

The modifications are in line 175 and 191. Should I make a pull
request to master branch, or is this a wrong idea? 

The concept is if you set up an empty message in rules/rulefile to
CQ_TU_MESSAGE or S&P_TU_MESSAGE, then tlf doesn't send it.


73,


Ervin
HA2OS



> 73, de Tom
> > 
> > Now I have to find a way to RUN from Germany with Low Power to use
> > the feature extensively. That's the hardest thing :-).
> > And CQWW is
> > close...
> > 
> > 73 Fred
> > 
> > On 11/12/2013 10:27 AM, Thomas Beierlein wrote:
> > > Fred,
> > >
> > > a configurable timeout is an option. Adding that option is quite
> > > some work - shall it be configured from the logcfg.dat or from
> > > command line? When should a change be allowed, ....
> > >
> > > For the moment I am interested if we got the main functionality
> > > right. You can change the timeout in the code for testing, but sure
> > > that can not be the final solution.
> > >
> > > One problem with slow typers: You will get pauses in your cw signal
> > > if you use some speed. Maybe best would be to adapt that timeout to
> > > the cw speed.
> > >
> > > 73, Tom DL1JBE
> > >
> > > Am Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:48:40 +0000
> > > schrieb FS <address@hidden>:
> > >
> > >> Tom,
> > >>
> > >> what about to make this 0.7s configureable? This would give
> > >> headroom for the slow typers, as well as make it useable with
> > >> different speeds.
> > >>
> > >> 73 Fred
> > >>
> > >> On 11/12/2013 09:08 AM, Thomas Beierlein wrote:
> > >>> Sorry, forgot to send a copy to the list. Here it comes.
> > >>>
> > >>> Tom DL1JBE
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Datum: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:07:03 +0100
> > >>> Von: Thomas Beierlein <address@hidden>
> > >>> An: address@hidden
> > >>> Betreff: Re: Autosend feature - first tests
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Martin,
> > >>>
> > >>> Am Tue, 12 Nov 2013 00:33:09 +0100
> > >>> schrieb Martin Kratoska <address@hidden>:
> > >>>> there is something strange. tlf does not see now hamlib, so no
> > >>>> radio control :-(
> > >>>>
> > >>> Maybe you forgot the '--enable-hamlib' in the ./configure stage?
> > >>>
> > >>>> The Autosend option works but not exactly as meant. The auto
> > >>>> sending begins with the character count as set with :char
> > >>>> command, this is OK. Setting :char to 4 actually moves the
> > >>>> cursor to the exchange field while tlf is sending 2nd character.
> > >>>
> > >>> That depends a little on your typing speed. But you are right. It
> > >>> moves to the exchange field as soon as you stop typing.
> > >>>
> > >>> The reason for this behavior is that we can not do the same
> > >>> handling as in TRLog. As TRLog sends the CW characters itself
> > >>> (integrated keyer) it knows exactly how far it is with sending the
> > >>> already typed in characters and when it catches your typing.
> > >>>
> > >>> For us using cwdaemon, the usbdaemon or Andys winkeyer daemon
> > >>> means we can send out the characters to the keying daemon but get
> > >>> no feedback how far it is with sending and therefore we have no
> > >>> information when the daemon catches your typing.
> > >>>
> > >>> So I suggested to use a timeout instead. As soon as you stop
> > >>> typing (atm after 0.7s) it assumes the call sign is complete and
> > >>> then it switches to the exchange field. It fear it is the best we
> > >>> can do without doing the whole keying stuff in tlf itself.
> > >>>
> > >>> Any ideas how to come around that are welcome.
> > >>>
> > >>>> Therefore the op has not
> > >>>> time till 4th character is finished, here I have time actually
> > >>>> only till 1st character is completed.
> > >>>
> > >>> Not quite. As described above you have 0.7 seconds for each
> > >>> character you want to type.
> > >>>
> > >>> 73, de Tom DL1JBE
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 73 Martin, OK1RR
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Dne 11.11.2013 13:35, Thomas Beierlein napsal(a):
> > >>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I just finished the first quick version of the new autosend
> > >>>>> feature.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Please download the zip archive from
> > >>>>> https://github.com/Tlf/tlf/archive/autosend.zip unpack it and
> > >>>>> then change to the directory.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 'autoreconf --install'
> > >>>>> './configure ....'
> > >>>>> 'make'
> > >>>>> 'make install'
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> should build it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Some comments:
> > >>>>> - Set autostart with ':char' as before (0 - off, 2..5 sets, ESC
> > >>>>> keeps old value)
> > >>>>> - timeout is 0.7s (enough if you get a hiccup while typing,
> > >>>>> short enough to work even at 30 wpm and very short calls
> > >>>>> - call will accept also '/' and '?' characters
> > >>>>> - you can stop with ESC as before
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Please test and report back.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I think autosend is only useful in RUN mode. I will block it for
> > >>>>> S&P if you aggree.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 73, de Tom DL1JBE.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Am Sun, 10 Nov 2013
> > >>>>> 16:38:47 +0100 schrieb Fred Siegmund <address@hidden>:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Indeed.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> 73 Fred
> > >>>>>> Am 07.11.2013 21:25, schrieb Martin Kratoska:
> > >>>>>>> Excellent! You hit the nail, Tom!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 73,
> > >>>>>>> Martin, OK1RR
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Dne 7.11.2013 21:13, Thomas Beierlein napsal(a):
> > >>>>>>>> Ok. Lets summarize:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> - autostart after 2..5 characters (configurable)
> > >>>>>>>> - shorter calls have to be finished with the normal ENTER
> > >>>>>>>> - as soon as autosend starts there will be no chance to edit
> > >>>>>>>> bad characters, all you type in will be send
> > >>>>>>>> - start sending exchange after a keyboard timeout (100..200
> > >>>>>>>> ms)
> > >>>>>>>> - only alfanumerical keys (and ENTER) accepted  after
> > >>>>>>>> autosend starts
> > >>>>>>>> - SPACE and DOWN will no longer start autosend
> > >>>>>>>> - SPACE will toggle cursor between call and exchange input
> > >>>>>>>> field
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> 73, de Tom DL1JBE
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
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