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Re: Presenting Hyperorg version 0.1.0: The Org to HTML Converter
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c.buhtz |
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Re: Presenting Hyperorg version 0.1.0: The Org to HTML Converter |
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Sun, 24 Mar 2024 16:59:10 +0000 |
Dear Ihor,
I will consider your points and take them into account.
On 2024-03-24 14:40 Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> wrote:
> If it is an option, it would be nice if you upstreamed your additions
> to orgparse. This way, we can get a better Python-based Org parser for
> everyone's benefit.
The code is free. The orgparse maintainer is free to re-use it of
course. On the other hand in the long run I will consider to separate
my parsing code into an extra package. But currently it is to unstable
and do support only a small subset of all org(roam) features.
> > Orgparse do throw exceptions e.g. UnicodeDecodeError or when
> > timestamps are invalid. Hyperorg catch that exceptions and go on
> > with the next node without interrupting the whole process.
>
> I see. FYI, it is a bug to throw an error when parsing Org document.
> Any kind of text file is a valid Org document. There is no notion of
> invalid syntax in Org markup.
You mean throw an error is a bug because it is not possible to
write invalid org documents?
I am not convinced yet. But I am open to it and willing to learn.
Even org-html-export* itself do throw errors and stop processing when
there are unknown orgids.
What is about an inconsistent block?
#begin_src
foobar
#end_example
> > Other things are "invalid" links, e.g. unknown orgids, unknown roam
> > links, unsupported "link kinds" ("protocols" in org syntax?; e.g.
> > "inkscape:").
>
> In Org terminology, we call these "broken" links.
> "link kinds" are link "types".
The term "types" is to broad and conflicts with Pythons in build
functions. ;) That is the main reason why I used "kind". On the other
hand the org syntax reference IMHO also use the term "protocol".
> Do you mean that orgparse throws an error when encountering tables?
No. I was referring to Hyperorg. OrgParse do not parse any org content
except headings and properties. Nearly everything else is unparsed and
given raw to my.
> Generally, part of the "Benefits" section is a bit hand-wavy. I
> recommend using more clear statements. Otherwise, it is not clear what
> exactly the benefits are.
Again. It is also not "clear" for me. There are benefits just for
myself as an low-level-Emacs-and-org-user, someone who get headaches
reading Lisp code and feeling very comfortable using Python. In short:
My opinion is very subjective. And I don't have enough experience to
compare my tool to others.
I tried to make this point clear in my benefits section. And this is
also the reason why there was no benefits section in the first place
because I wasn't clear enough about what to write in there.
Maybe I should rephrase the section to "Benefits and design goals".
> 1. Drop "Fairly resilient when dealing with parser issues."
Why? The "design goal" is to process all nodes no matter how
bad/invalid they are.
> 2. Reword "Fairly resilient managing dead and problematic links which
> are a common phenomenon when working with a constantly evolving
> Zettelkasten or personal wiki." And instead clearly explain how broken
> links are exported.
I don't want to blow up the text. Not sure what you expect here. The
node is exported as HTML but the link is colorful highlighted and a
tooltip explaining the problem is added.
> 4. Drop "Adhers to World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) standards for HTML5
> and CSS (<!DOCTYPE html>)." Most other blog exporters for Org mode
> adhere to standards. And those that are not are probably out of
> interest for the purposes of comparison.
Why?
Btw: Even code generated by org-html-export* (XHTML 1.0 Strict) give
errors on W3C. e.g. "type" attribute is missing in <style> tag.
> 5. Maybe mention the "tag cloud" visible in the example screenshot
> (btw, the screenshot is not very sexy; compare it with something like
> https://one.tonyaldon.com/).
There nothing fancy as a "tag cloud". ;) btw: There is no cloud on the
link you provided.
About the "sexy"ness of Hyperorg output: There is a specific label for
that issues:
<https://codeberg.org/buhtz/hyperorg/issues?labels=180551>
But as you can see on the "milestone" the priority is low.
Thanks for your effort and your discussion. I learn a lot.
Kind
Christian Buhtz
- Presenting Hyperorg version 0.1.0: The Org to HTML Converter, c . buhtz, 2024/03/19
- Re: Presenting Hyperorg version 0.1.0: The Org to HTML Converter, Ihor Radchenko, 2024/03/20
- Re: Presenting Hyperorg version 0.1.0: The Org to HTML Converter, c.buhtz, 2024/03/23
- Re: Presenting Hyperorg version 0.1.0: The Org to HTML Converter, Ihor Radchenko, 2024/03/23
- Re: Presenting Hyperorg version 0.1.0: The Org to HTML Converter, c.buhtz, 2024/03/23
- Re: Presenting Hyperorg version 0.1.0: The Org to HTML Converter, Ihor Radchenko, 2024/03/24
- Re: Presenting Hyperorg version 0.1.0: The Org to HTML Converter, c . buhtz, 2024/03/24
- Re: Presenting Hyperorg version 0.1.0: The Org to HTML Converter, Ihor Radchenko, 2024/03/24
- Re: Presenting Hyperorg version 0.1.0: The Org to HTML Converter,
c.buhtz <=
- Re: Presenting Hyperorg version 0.1.0: The Org to HTML Converter, Ihor Radchenko, 2024/03/24