RE: ANNOUNCE: Request For Proposals

[Mondragon, Ian]

some good ideas, some serious flame bait <grin>.  while debian may be "the
GNU distribution", i can't say that focusing on tying GNUstep into a
particular linux distro is something that i would support myself.
especially since i haven't run _any_ linux distribution in a looooong time
(freebsd has been my OS of choice for years).  i think transparency accross
OS's would be better for the cause than some whispered, distro-centric,
elitist attitude.

as far as the "cool demos" go: i'd rather see everyone (including myself)
devote thier time to producing high-quality, full-featured applications
worthy of real-world use than some chinsey little demoes to make people say,
"wow.  this looks nice.  too bad there's nothing i can really use."  my
GNUstep window manager has fallen so far behind my own expectations that i
hesitate to even bring it up in this discussion, but i've been trying to
finish up my address book application (which will follow Palm's basic
contact structure and therefore, with relative ease, be compatable with Palm
records).  GNUMail.app has been coming along so nicely that it puts most
everything else out there in the GNUstep world to shame (three cheers for
Ludovic!).  GWorkspace has been sweet for some time now.  i say down with
the demos.  what we all need more than anything (even more than
ProjectCenter <gasp!>) is __GORM__.  the most irritating thing about coding
GNUstep apps is manually creating the GUIs.  i don't care what anybody says
- no matter how much simpler it is compared to any other kit out there, if
you're used to InterfaceBuilder (as i am), it's an overbearing pain in the
ass to build everything by hand.  and once we have Gorm working on a plane
of relative stability (it's getting there), you'll see GNUstep apps coming
out of the woodwork.

  i think i'll hold off on the emacs-esque GNUstep editor you mentioned ;-)

just my 2.5 cents.

- ian mondragon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nahuel Greco [SMTP:ngreco@softhome.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 2:06 PM
> To:   discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
> Subject:      Re: ANNOUNCE: Request For Proposals
> 
> 
> * Improve the Debian GNUStep Packages.
>         Debian is becoming the distribution of choice for the developers
> and
>           the experienced linux users. I dont understand why LastStep is
> based
>           in linux-from-scratch, Debian is also the best base for "special
>           linux distributions", only adding packages to it (check for
> example,      
>           the Debian Base Demudi Distro at:
>             http://benares.centrotemporeale.it/~demudi/main/main.php3
> 
>         Make Debian the _default_ distribution of GNUStep (It sounds
> logical,
>         debian is the GNU Distro :), keep all the packages up to date, add
>         the packages that not are now in the pool (ej, gorm). That also
> adds
>         a central repository for all the gstep applications/components
>           multi-platform binaries & source, and their dependencies.
> 
>         Make a menu in Debian menu system, one like the "KDE Apps" or
> "GNOME
>         apps", but with the GNUStep apps.
> 
>         (Note, there are projects to port apt-get to win32, etc,
>            then, GS will be automatically installed by them in that
>            platforms.)
>       
> * Continue the work on the python-objc bridge
> 
>       Integrate in project center. There was a SIG in the python page to
> this. 
>       A scripting language like python will add a lots of developers, and
> will
>       improve the GS learning curve. Ruby is another good candidate.
> 
> * Add "philosophical" Documents
> 
>       I dont know if you can do something like Evolutionary Programming in
>       ObjC, as in Smalltalk, but is very important to show the features of
>       ObjC over C++ (KDE) and C (GNOME).
> 
> * Make lots of cool GUI Demos, eye-candy ones, maybe with 3DKit, etc.
> 
> * Make tools that an external developer will use for non-GS tasks.
> 
>       I mean, if you do a TextEditor, embeddable, scriptable a la emacs
> with
>         python and DPS as display engine, with their internal API
> (obviusly,
>         GStep one :) exposed to scripting, the outside developers will
> start to
>         appreciate GS.
> 
> * Add C++ mixed with ObjC support to gcc.
> 
> 
> Mm.. later my head will think more :)
> 
> - Nahuel Greco                 Web Development - Open Source - 
> - http://www.codelarvs.com.ar  Game Programming - Research   -
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> 
> 
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