Re: Info tutorial is out of date

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: "Drew Adams" <address@hidden>
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:37:27 -0700
> 
>     >     > If there is a separate standalone-reader manual, then stuff
>     >     > that is specific
>     >     > to the standalone reader should go in that manual.
>     >
>     >     See my other mail for the reasons why this would be not a
>     >     good idea.
>     >
>     > I read your other emails (unless there is yet another
>     > somewhere), and I didn't see any reasons for this.
>     > Please point them out.
> 
>     The need to have the Info manual be the first manual they read.
> 
> And what is the problem in that regard? I'm not assuming they need to read
> any other manual first.

The top-level menu in DIR is typically very long.  If the Info manual
is not the first item, we have no real hope that it will be the first
one to be read.

>     > I saw some hand-waving about bootstrapping
> 
>     Sigh.  Do you really think this style facilitates fruitful discussion?
> 
> I'm really trying to understand you, Eli. Give me something concrete to get
> hold of. Just what is the problem?

Your custom to use derogatory remarks and angry style.

>     >     Isn't the fact that you didn't even know about that other manual's
>     >     existence tells volumes of why we shouldn't leave out
>     >     stuff related to
>     >     its basics from the beginners' Info manual?
>     >
>     > No, I don't see the relation between my ignorance of the
>     > standalone-reader manual and "why we shouldn't leave out
>     > stuff..." What's the connection? What volumes does it tell?
>     > Can you be specific?
> 
>     Specifically, it is not a good idea to describe basic stuff in a
>     manual that no one will find.
> 
> Which basic stuff are we talking about?

How to use Info.

> Which manual?

info-stnd.info

> Why won't they find it?

Because it's buried in a long menu.