Re: [Gzz] RE: [Fenfire-rdf-discuss] [Ann] Fenfire Loom (RDF browser) 0.1beta1released

[Benja Fallenstein]

Hi Danny,

Danny Ayers wrote:
> Very nice indeed!

Thank you! That's good to hear.

> Questions :
> Is the source to gzz.vob.*; available? (scratch that question if it's in the
> CVS - I've not yet checked)

Tuomas already replied that we're currently splitting it off as a 
standalone library (also LGPL). I would like to add that this seems 
already pretty far along, progress-wise; I haven't looked at it too 
deeply, but will now that the first version of Loom is practically 
finished (if no showstoppers are found in the beta).

Unfortunately, currently it doesn't behave very well as part of the Java 
Component hierarchy: it insists on creating its own frames. (Loom just 
takes the libvob-created frame and adds a menu bar to it. :-) ) However, 
this should be easy to fix and I hope we'll have that changed before the 
first release. (This is for the AWT backend of libvob; I don't think we 
can make the OpenGL backend run inside an AWT component, at least not 
easily...)

> What's with the Python material? Are you just using this for debugging?

As Tuomas replied, also prototyping and non-time-critical stuff. Loom 
only uses it for debugging so far.

> I've done a basic general purpose command window (Swing) using Jython which
> may be useful - it's already usable but a bit buggy (I want to be able to
> create nodes etc in Ideagraph by typing in commands, or to be able to run
> external py scripts).

Nice, but unfortunately we cannot have Swing-based stuff in the main 
code because it's non-free. (There's still no free software Swing 
implementation...) We've had an AWT-based command window earlier, but it 
didn't work very well :-(

I'm not sure whether this would fit in Loom (which I'm imagining as a 
more limited tool, editing and only editing :-) ) but it definitely 
would fit in the overall Fenfire project.

- Benja