Re: [Myexperiment-discuss] i need some workflows :-)

[Alexander Voss]

Dear all,

I guess the problem is a hard one with respect to the interesting 
computer science problem of establishing equivalence (which presumably 
Antoon looked at?) but there may be similarity measures which may be 
imperfect but solve interesting practical problems? Perhaps we need to 
think more about what people might do if they had such an identifier for 
a set of "similar" workflows? How might this make their lives easier 
compared to, say, using Feta to find stuff?

Just my 2p.

Cheers,

Alex

David De Roure wrote:
> Carole - That's good - I knew it would have been thought about before.  
>
> Antoon - is there something we can start using immediately?  The goal at
> the moment is just to get some experience rather than putting lots of
> effort into making sure it's the right decision (that comes later!)
>
> All - The Southampton members of the team are new to this domain, please 
> bear with us while we catch up a bit!  I expect I will occasionally say 
> some things which are completely bonkers (like maybe I just did!)  :-)
>
> -- Dave
>
> On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Carole Goble wrote:
>
> > Dave and Jeremy
> >
> > Antoon has spent three years trying to figure out what a workflow digest 
> > might be, and what "similar" would mean.
> >
> > And it isn't easy.
> >
> > I suggest we ask Antoon
> >
> > Carole
> >
> > > In a way an Inchi is a canonical digest of a molecular structure.  You can
> > > imagine one or more types of digest of workflows such that google finds 
> > > "similar" workflows, where "similar" will be a function of the digest.  
> > > In the myExperiment context one would want some form of digest that 
> > > works across multiple workflow systems.  I'm just thinking out loud - I
> > > expect people have thought about this already.  It came up because
> > > Don is mapping workflow descriptions to OAI.
> > >
> > > -- Dave
> > >
> > > On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Jeremy wrote:
> > >
> > >   
> > > > Do you think we should have URIs that is calculated from the workflow  
> > > > like the INChI is from the molecular structure?  This would be idea  
> > > > but will need some interesting fundamental work to show how  
> > > > representations of workflows can be shown to be the same workflow etc
> > > > Jeremy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 5 Apr 2007, at 22:23, David De Roure wrote:
> > > >
> > > >     
> > > > > BTW These are the ones I'm using now, which I found with google.  I  
> > > > > guess
> > > > > what I'm looking for is a reference set we can all use for test  
> > > > > purposes.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.chembiogrid.org/projects/proj_workflows.html
> > > > > http://biomoby.open-bio.org/CVS_CONTENT/moby-live/Java/docs/taverna/ 
> > > > > guide/workflows.html
> > > > > http://bioinfo.mpiz-koeln.mpg.de/araws/workflows
> > > > > http://mips.gsf.de/projects/plants/PlaNetPortal/taverna_workflows.html
> > > > >
> > > > > This has also got me thinking about what workflows should look like  
> > > > > to be
> > > > > indexed usefully by google - and what the IDs should look like.  For
> > > > > example, in chemistry the inchi's are very google-friendly.  A  
> > > > > standard
> > > > > way of identifying a workflow that works for google would be handy.
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Dave
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, David De Roure wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >       
> > > > > > Sorry this is a silly question but could someone send me and Don some
> > > > > > workflows or point us at some?! :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What we need is just an assortment of real workflows (in XML),  
> > > > > > captured
> > > > > > in the wild, so we can play with them.  I'm sure some of you have  
> > > > > > them
> > > > > > roaming around your desks!  Is there a zoo?!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's just for testing our OAI thingie (must think of a name for it!)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is something else for the wiki when we have it!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -- Dave
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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