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Re: [Myexperiment-discuss] new talks


From: Paul Fisher
Subject: Re: [Myexperiment-discuss] new talks
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:04:47 +0100
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Giovanni,

To be perfectly honest, as you yourself have been, I think you have approached this in a completely inappropriate manner.

Firstly (as previously pointed out), Carole uploaded those slides for the benfit of people who were and were not at the conference. They are there for the aid of others - not just yourself. As you should know yourself, slides are designed to give people an intorduction to a topic, and not cover all the necessary details. Having attended Carole's talks in the past, I can assure you they do this.

If you argument is with the format they are in, then the very least you should have done is to download them, and if necessary, email Carole directly to obatin the slides in another format - NOT to broadcast your opinion on this very PUBLIC list. A simple email to Carole (being the very reasonable person she is) would have given you the oppourtunity to get the slides in PDF format or an alternative.

Secondly, I don't think you should post negative comments, but instead direct them ath the person who directly. That way you save both yourself and the person involved any embarassment. Positive comments are, however, suitable, giving others a chance to be notified about a good items and see for themselves.

Paul Fisher.


Giovanni Marco Dall'Olio wrote:


On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Jiten Bhagat <address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>> wrote:

    Giovanni,


        The problem is that I always intended myExperiment as a sort
        of opensource-like community.
        I can't explain you exactly why, but honestly, with that
        presentation, it gives me the feeling that it is not.
        Please don't get mad at me, it's just my opinion :)


    myExperiment IS an "open-source like community"...



I didn't say it is not.
But if you look at http://wiki.myexperiment.org/index.php/Presentations, you'll see that all the slides and files are in Microsoft Office's format. I can't open any of these files properly, because I don't own a license of office, neither I am going to buy one to open these slides.

If you know the story behind the approval of the OOXML format, you'll know that many people don't consider that format as a standard, for many reasons. Moreover, it is not supported by many programs, and the powerpoint 2007 program itself doesn't implement correctly the specifications approved by the ISO institution.
In short I don't have any mean to open OOXML files.

The ppt slides looked ugly opened with openoffice. The texts were bigger, and maybe some of the animations don't work. Maybe the presentation looks better with those animations, but my impression was that it was too full of texts and difficult to follow.

As long as you don't use open formats, you will keep having these kind of problems. I hope you are not going to do similar mistakes in myexperiment. You know, that talk really gave me the wrong feelings about this issue.

It was not intented to be a personal criticism, neither against myExperiment. I was just trying to express my opinion, since I thought it would have been useful for you to fix them and maybe attract more people to your project. I apologized once in advance at the beginning of the mail, and two times after, one in a personal mail, but you just kept shouting at me.
I hope that it is not the way you use to answer to negative criticisms.



    ... the source code is publicly available here:
    http://rubyforge.org/scm/?group_id=3801, free for anyone to
    download, install, modify and so on.

    Jits




    Giovanni Marco Dall'Olio wrote:

        Well, I don't want to be rude... but honestly, if I can give
        you my opinion, I've found that presentation a bit irritating :).

        First of all, the slides are too much full of text. You should
        redistribute the contents in more slides, and maybe cut
        something. For example, in the first slides, the first two
        points are enought.

        Second, please don't put that many 'windows vista like'
        screenshots.
        I really hate them.
        They gave me the feeling that myExperiment was just another
        'just for cool windows-mac and java programmers' thing, so
        well, maybe we other OS users are weird people, but we exist
        anyway.

        Moreover, your slides are only available in office 2003 and
        2007 format. I don't own a license for any of these two programs.
        Can you please upload an odt or pdf version, too?
        And can you put on slideshare, also?

        The problem is that I always intended myExperiment as a sort
        of opensource-like community.
        I can't explain you exactly why, but honestly, with that
        presentation, it gives me the feeling that it is not.
        Please don't get mad at me, it's just my opinion :)

        On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 1:22 AM, David De Roure
        <address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>
        <mailto:address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>>>
        wrote:

           Carole's latest talk is now available on the myExperiment
        wiki –
           called "Curating Data? Curating Services!", it was
        delivered last
           week at the 21st International CODATA Conference, Ukraine, Kyiv
           and features myExperiment and Biocatalogue.

           It's available with all our myExperiment slideware on
           http://wiki.myexperiment.org/index.php/Presentations where
        you'll
           also find the much talked-about presentation to the British
           Library on the future of research.

           All Carole's recent keynote talks are available in the pack
           http://www.myexperiment.org/packs/33

           -- Dave

           http://www.myexperiment.org/announcements/19


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