Re: [Phpgroupware-developers] darn near email done, merge notification (fwd)

[/Angles/ Puglisi]

You picked a REALLY bad time to bullshit the list, my friend.

I read only once this message and frankly I'm too mad to read it again. I'm 
trying
to restrain myself here. Without reading it again, I think I was accused of 
breaking
the API? The send class in API is untouched by me, in fact that's one reason why
people can't send mail, perhaps YOU should read the chat logs.

All I can say is this, it's a poor comment on our "groupware" app if one 
developer
thinks I break the API repeadly, yet I never get an email from that developer, 
that
developer never emails the list with that fact, and that developer never deops 
by
the chat room to discuss this with me.

Please remember I have alot on my mind right now, and I'm sure I'm being way to
emotional, but filter that out and PLEASE think about the message behind my 
emotions.

Thank you.

Mark A Peters (address@hidden) wrote*:
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>On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, Guillaume Courtois wrote:
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>> >I will make this short, I agree that there was a feature freeze, and that
>> >one is necessary, but in the case of the email app, which was in need of
>> >mainly finished Filtering support, I think that allowing it in, would make
>> >the difference between .14 being a ok release, and a Great release.  I have
>> >used the email app extensively in both .12CVS and .14RC, and it is lacking.
>> >I might not be a developer on this project, but I think I can speak for
>> >anyone that is considering phpgourpware for there needs, .14 would be a FAR
>> >better release with the new "feature/bug fixes" that angles has done.. If
>> >the project managements lets it in, I will update my system and bug test the
>> >hell out of it, and report everything I can find, to make sure it is stable.
>>
>> Well, I totally agree with what is said here. Angles has done a really great 
>> job
in the email part (I use it everyday for a few monthes now, I know it very 
well). I
understand the problem of feature freeze, but things put in the email part are a
really great improvment and would make .14 a great version (and I don't
underestimate the work done on other parts of phpGW !)
>>
>> Maybe you could give bug testing for .14 a little more time ?
>>
>> Just my opinion ...
>>
>
>Let's hold on here.  I never said anything bad about Angles and his
>quality of work in this conversation.  I agree, Angles has taken the email
>app to a new level.  My concern though, is that there are bugs in the
>software, and some of those cannot be fixed at this point when certain
>features are constantly shifting.  For instance, (remember, this is just
>an example):  Every app that has options to SEND emails needs to use an
>API call to determine the intended receiver's prefered email address.  I
>cannot fix this until Angles is complete with his coding.  I had fixed
>this a couple of times in the developement code (.13.0??) and it continues
>to get mangled (create_email_preferences).  Right now I'm fighting
>with the idea that the API is currently dependent upon the email app.
>This makes no sense to me, that the CORE of the system is dependent upon
>an app.  This is one of the reasons that a feature freeze is vital.  By
>locking in on features, everyone should feel confident that they are not
>coding to moving standards.  Most people aren't really aware of this, but
>there are other projects that are interested in what we are doing here.
>The OOo, Open Offic Organization (Open Source Star Office) is very
>interested in using phpGW as the backend server for their project.  For
>this to occur, they have to write XML-RPC/SOAP calls to our methods.  Now,
>how can we feel confident to tell them that .14 RC1 is stable in the
>exposed methods for them to build their native clients.
>
>And to address one other point:  When the original feature freeze was
>called for, and when I created the .tar.gz, .bz2, .zip, and .rpm files
>there was in excess of 1 month between those dates.  By all accounts, 1
>month is more than sufficient time to have features coded and added for
>inclusion.  And I remember it was just recently, within the last 5 days,
>that issues were still being brought to everyone's attention.
>
>Sorry for being such long winded.
>
>Thanks,
>Mark A Peters (Skeeter)
>
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