[ToutDoux-list] Re: toutdoux translations and translation projects (20/02/2003)

[Mathieu Roy]

Christian Rose <address@hidden> a tapoté :

> ons 2003-03-19 klockan 17.57 skrev Mathieu Roy:
> > > <quote>
> > > > Important GNU projects should be in the GNU cvs anyway; there are many
> > > > other development benefits of using the same cvs for software under
> > > > the same project umbrella.
> > > 
> > > There's no need to play word games here. If you don't think your
> > > software is GNOME software (and hence don't want to use GNOME cvs) but
> > > rather fits better in the wider GNU arena and on Savannah, just tell me
> > > that, and that you hence want to use the Translation Project. I'm just
> > > trying to list the translation project options here; there's no need to
> > > feel offended. Just tell me what you want and which translation project
> > > you'd like to use, so we know what we should do with the existing
> > > translations and where we should direct translators in the future.
> > > </quote>
> > > 
> > > You said that important GNU projects should be in GNU cvs because it's
> > > better to centralice all modules under the same umbrella.
> > 
> > When I said that, I was copying the original Christian's message by
> > replacing GNOME by GNU.
> > This is not a "word games" or whatever.
> 
> A "word game" is exactly that - taking the statement of someone else and
> just replacing words. In itself it is in no way at all a productive form
> of discussion.

Apparently, you do not find interesting the demonstration of a 
parallelism. Usually, I do.

Theorically, it should be a very productive form of discussion, as
someone should understand unequivocally a text he almost wrote
completely.  

Theorically too, discussing about how someone express his point of view
is not a productive form of discussion. Because it makes people
feeling under attack. Because it is an aggressive form of talking,
because the problem is no longer the idea we do not share but the way
we speak, and so the way we are.

That said, I do not want to discuss that way.

> > > It's true
> > 
> > And it's true in both cases (GNU and GNOME). That's my point.
> 
> And you're still missing my point. I could care less whether you really
> consider Toutdoux a GNU application, a GNOME application, or both, or
> nothing of the sort, or anything like those types of discussions. Please
> do not make it such a type of discussion. That's not my intent, as I
> already stated in my first mail.

If there are good technical reasons for ToutDoux to be in the GNOME
area, these good technical reasons are also valid for ToutDoux to be
in the GNU area.

And that's the point. That's the reason why I assumed that Philippe
is fine with the GNU infrastruture he deal with. While the GNOME
infrastructure may be very very great, ToutDoux is not homeless and
not completely "independant" as you previously said.

I talked about this matter recently with Philippe and he confirmed that
he clearly prefer stay on GNU machines as main host.
 
> What I really need to know is whether you are going to use GNOME cvs
> in the future or whether you are not,

I think you have an answer.

> and if not, if you are ok with using the Translation Project
> instead. If you are moving to GNOME cvs using the GNOME Translation
> Project is fine, if not, using the Translation Project is better,
> and we should make sure Toutdoux gets imported in the Translation
> Project instead. That's the needed decision.

I'm sure that Philippe has nothing against importating data in the
Translation Project.

That said, ToutDoux development is inactive, mainly because Philippe
cannot handle it now and because nobody seems interested in
(developing on a regular basis I mean). 
Philippe assumed at first that copying Microsoft Project was a bad
option for a project management tool. 
As an engineer that used to work with this software, he find it pretty
unusable when dealing with lot of data. That why he tried a different
approach, making full advantage of freedom we now have in computing,
for instance by using directly PostgreSQL (which was at the time he
started ToutDoux original -  I seen recently some KDE softwares going
this way). But more people seems interested at first in cloning
Microsoft software - and I'm fine with that, it's up to them. That
explain how ToutDoux stand now.  

Is everything clear now?

-- 
Mathieu Roy
 
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