Re: Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

[Wim van Dommelen]

Hi Joseph,

Found some more problems (and bugs), see below....


On 28 Jan 2013, at 17:27 , Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote:

> On 01/28/2013 01:54 PM, Wim van Dommelen wrote:
> > Agreed, but for a series showing e.g. a scale it would be nice to  
> > have similar
> > diagrams, so I would like to control the behaviour myself.
>
> Personally I prefer to see all the keys when it's a visual diagram.

Me too, but having individual control satifies everyone.

> That said, I think my preference _in general) also inclines towards  
> the notation where keys are indicated primarily by name (C#, E,  
> F#, ...) rather than by key layout, simply because the latter can  
> (and does) vary -- precisely the issue you identify with bass  
> clarinet.  Using key names rather than key diagrams helps to avoid  
> the worst of that, but as things stand I find the key-name diagrams  
> in Lilypond somewhat problematic.

The big challenge will be to find some optimum which satifies the  
multitude of brands and models. I've played on two brands, three  
models and these were all different, I checked the documentation as I  
have it. May be one of the options should be a "disappear" key  
version, like the possibilities to have a ring or show 3 quarters, one  
option could be to let a key out completly.

> I really should get round to writing up my thoughts on these  
> diagrams systematically -- I doubt most of the issues are that  
> difficult to fix.


I ran through the whole set of keys for the "low-bass-clarinet" and  
saw yet some more problems (I only did the completly closed  
variations, not everything :-), see attachments. The diagrams:

1. All keys (by specifying nothing)
2. All keys and holes closed
3. One hole closed, the diagram changes. My wish is to have control  
here.
4. The right-hand low-d key (with the right thumb), is available  
according to the list, but nothing shows up. Bug!
5. The left-hand low-d key (with the left thumb), is available  
according to the list, but nothing shows up. Bug!
6. Lot's of models have a right-hand low-ees key (with the thumb),  
There is no such key. Wishlist.
7. Every model I know has a low-gis key for the left-hand little- 
finger. It is missing, probably that one should be in and inherited  
from the basic clarinet diagram. Wishlist.
8. and 9. These keys are positioned much lower, opposite to the  
central-column holes four and five, i.m.h.o. should be moved, at least  
below rh one through four, probably also a little to the side. Wishlist.

I'm aware this is a lot to ask. I will dive into the Scheme myself,  
just to see how hard it is. But if someone is enthousiast and knows  
how it really works, that would be very great. (I didn't address/ 
contact the original programmer right away, because he probably is  
busy on other things which I don't want to disturb.) I'm at least  
going to run a set with all 1q, 3q, etc. variations also to see what  
happens there. I hope to do that in the coming week(s).

Regards,
Wim.

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