Re: [m17n-list] Trying to create a more optimal Indic input method.

[Dominik Wujastyk]

Dear Ken,

There are existing ISO and Unicode standards for all these issues about transliteration that you raise.  If you want to offer a new transliteration standard, then you must plan for many years of gruelling committee work to get your proposals through the process.  I sat for a couple of years on a British Standards Institute Committee for transliteration of Indic Scripts (with Tony Stone, among others).  It is a long, bureaucratic, frustrating and frankly boring process. Gird your loins for the long haul.  Tony's transliteration pages give a good feel for the issues that have been discussed in the past, and the processes underlying decision-making.

My personal judgement is that the existing standards for the transliteration of Indic scripts are adequate.  I regret the ISO choice on the romanization of Sanskrit's anusvara and vocalic r, but I think that's impossible to change now.

Some of the suggestions you make might fall better under the heading of IPA (also a standard), don't you think?  For example, you don't need to invent a new glyph for schwa, ə.

The m17n list is not for the discussion of transliteration, but just about convenient keyboarding.  What buttons to press in order to get particular glyphs on the screen.  With m17n and IBUS, say, this is a soft process, which is easily configured or tweaked by individual users.

While there also exist ISO standards for keyboard layouts, this m17n list does not aim to discuss the creation of new ISO keyboarding standards.

Best wishes,

Dominik Wujastyk

On 29 June 2015 at 19:35, ken p <address@hidden> wrote:

Mr.Wujastyk,

Each consonant produces these 15 basic sounds when combined with vowels.           

 ્   ા   િ  ી   ુ   ૂ    ૅ    ે    ૈ   ૉ    ો    ૌ    ં / ં   ઃ(Basic Sounds)

ə   ɑ/ɑː  ɪ  ɪː   ʊ   ʊː   æ  ɛ/eɪ/ey  əi   ɔ/ɔ:   oʊ   əu:   ən/ əm    əh (IPA)

ạ   ā   i    ī   u   ū       ă      e   ại       ǒ      o   ạu   ạm/ ạn ạh…..Gujạlish

अ  आ  इ   ई   उ  ऊ  ऍ   ए  ऐ   ऑ  ओ औ अं   अः

a   ā    i   ī    u  ū  æ   ē  ai   ô    ō  au aṁ aḥ ...........ISO

a   ā   i    ī    u  ū  æ   e  ai   ô    o  au aṁ aḥ ...........IAST

I prefer accurately pronounceable standard Roman transliteration.

Bharat /bhạrạt / bhārạt

अ / ạ Schwa 

ऍ / ă (breve)

ए / e

ऑ / ŏ (breve)

ओ / o

ISO and IAST needs modification as shown in Gujalish scheme. Here breve resembles Hindi matra/diacritics. 

ại  and ạu of Devanagari is not same as IPA's aɪ and aʊ.

aɪ / āi /kite

aʊ/ āu /out

By the way can you read Devanagari script?

What other European languages do you know?

Thanks,

ken /USA 

On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Dominik Wujastyk <address@hidden> wrote:

No, the last thing we need is another non-standard standard.  IAST is great, and I use it whey day.  But unfortunately it's not the ISO standard for Sanskrit, differing by two characters.  The texts at SARIT describe this in their TEI headers.

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On 28 Jun 2015 19:04, "ken p" <address@hidden> wrote:

Hello,

I thought it's a new transliteration scheme.

https://iastphoneticenglishalphabet.wordpress.com/

Thanks,

ken

On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Dominik Wujastyk <address@hidden> wrote:

I don't understand your suggestion, or you have the wrong end of the stick.  This isn't about display, but about convenient typing strategies.

On 26 June 2015 at 17:19, ken p <address@hidden> wrote:

Mr.Vasukij,

Why not post a Sanskrit text in  OPTITRANS and compare with IAST ?

Let us see how it displays.

On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 11:12:28 AM UTC-5, विश्वासो वासुकिजः wrote:

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2015-06-22 8:17 GMT-07:00 विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki) <address@hidden>:

I updated hi-optitransv2.mim, and was able to test it with m17-edit. The file seems syntactically correct, but part that doesn't work is dependent vowels. ki gets converted to कइ

​Fixed that and ​updated hi-optitransv2.mim. I belive this version is ready to be submitted.

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