Re: [Pan-users] Re: Problems with some replies

[Travis]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duncan" <address@hidden>
To: <address@hidden>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 15:09 PM
Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Problems with some replies


> Jim Henderson <address@hidden> posted
> address@hidden, excerpted below, on  Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:01:34
> +0000:
> 
>> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:50:40 -0600, HarryB wrote:
>> 
>>> New Pan (v0.132) user, running under Debian 4.0 and KDE 3.5.10.
>>> 
>>> I have been able to post a new message to the newsgroup
>>> rec.bicycles.tech and one or two replies, but additional replies fail
>>> because the server rejects them and returns the following error: "441
>>> Posting Failed (Rejected by POST filter)" .
>>> 
>>> I tried the same in 0.test and the results were the same: I could post
>>> at least one reply to my initial message, but subsequent replies
>>> failed.
>>> 
>>> So, I booted into Windows and fired up Free Agent, my old newsreader. I
>>> was able to reply without a problem. So, it appears that the problem is
>>> with Pan and not my news server, bellsouth.net.
>>> 
>>> What doesn't my news server like about Pan's replies?
>> 
>> You'll probably have to ask the provider.  Most NNTP servers can apply a
>> script against headers and message contents and reject based on content
>> - only the provider can tell you why your post was rejected since they
>> maintain the filter.
> 
> Seconded.
> 
> That's a filter on the server side, not pan, tho it's plausible the 
> filter is triggering on a header pan uses that Free Agent doesn't.
> 
> One header difference between pan and what I know of Agent is the way 
> they create their own Message-ID.  Free Agent (well, at least Forte Agent 
> and I'd assume Free Agent a swell) generates a random number and adds 
> @4ax.com.  Pan in its current implementation starts with pan. , adds the 
> date and time (numeric yyyy.mm.dd.hh.mm.ss), and finally adds the 
> @domain.name portion of the from email address you used to post the 
> message, so the total string format looks like this: 
> address@hidden .
> 
> Perhaps the posting filter is keying in on the references header and 
> doesn't like something in the domain name part of the string repeated 
> more than a couple times, as it would be as the thread gets longer.  If 
> you've munged your from address and/or there's something that looks like 
> sex or p3ni5 si23 or some such in that domain name, it could be deciding 
> the post is spam based on more than two occurrences of that string in any 
> header.
> 
> Also check any custom headers you may generate, and compare from 
> addresses, etc.  Who knows what it's triggering on?
> 
> Besides asking them about it, there are a couple ways you can trouble 
> shoot.  The most obvious would be an original post from FA, then replies 
> from pan, and of course the reverse (original from pan, replies from FA), 
> then mixed replies (pan/FA/pan/FA..., FA/FA/pan/FA/pan/FA/pan..., etc).  
> You can also use pan's draft message feature, saving the draft, opening 
> it with a text editor and modifying it (say removing a a message-id or 
> two from the references header, if testing the above idea), saving it, 
> then opening that draft in pan and sending it.  Finally, note that pan is 
> available for MSWindows as well, and I believe I've seen reports that 
> Free Agent works when run in WINE on Linux, so you can test posting from 
> pan on MSWindows and FA in WINE on Linux as well.  Not that such should 
> make a difference in what the server side sees and therefore can filter, 
> but it's a possibility for troubleshooting, none-the-less.

....also try posting to alt.test and not your providers private (0.XXX) group.
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Travis in Shoreline Washington