Re: missing term in Icking glossary

[libero . mureddu3]

Hi!
In finnish this symbol is called "viiva" or "tenuto".

 But generally, tenuto means , inside the "non legato" situations, the opposite
of staccatissimo: it is not legato (not yet), but you have to keep the duration
of the note until his end, where staccatissimo is the shortest duration 
possible.
A tradition in piano revision of Bach's music for harpsicord (and a performance
practice), used to evidentiate every subject entrance of the slow fugues
with this sign, however it is not an accent: the attack is not so quick,
the sound is not so "sharp" and the result should be more "deep" and not
so brilliant.
In romantic and post romantic music (also in vocal part), his meaning is
to put in evidence, and sustain the sound, often "con espressione", but not
"legato".
In my experience, in contemporary music, the meaning is the same but without
this kind of "espressione" :-)
Maybe, the best for the general practice, is to find the definition of a
book like the Kurt Stone "Music Notation in the Twentieth Century", or something
similar, unfortunately I dont'have nothing similar with me.
And, finally, if the tenuto sign is associated with slur, in string music,
it means "portato" or "louré" that is a particular kind of legato bowing.
If we want to talk of opposites, in strings, a better opposite of "détaché"
is "legato".

Ciao

Libero Mureddu


>-- Original Message --
>From: "Luis Guillermo Agudelo" <address@hidden>
>To: address@hidden
>Subject: Re: missing term in Icking glossary
>Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 05:14:06 -0400
>
>
>
>I agree with this comment. Tenuto is not the opposite to stacatto. however
>I
>believe that detache' is not the opposite of tenuto either.
>
>My understanding of tenuto is to sustain or to hold but I wish some of the
>
>italian speakers in this list help us out with a better definition.
>
>By the way, In spanish we pretty much always go by the italian terms when
>
>speaking of music, so we use tenuto as well.
>
>Cheers,
>Luis
>
>>From: David Raleigh Arnold <address@hidden>
>>CC: bug-lilypond <address@hidden>,lilypond-user Mailinglist
>><address@hidden>
>>Subject: Re: missing term in Icking glossary
>>Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:32:45 -0400
>>
>>Graham Percival wrote:
>> >
>> > On 14-Jul-05, at 4:15 AM, M. den Teuling wrote:
>> >
>> >> Christian Mondrup suggested to me to report a missing term in the
>> >> gossary : tenuto. I had the term myself forgotten even in Dutch, and
>> >> so I really missed it. Its opposite staccato is present.
>>
>>The opposite of staccato is legato.
>>
>>The reality is that the tenuto mark "-" really doesn't mean anything
>>very specific, applied to notes that are assumed to be legato anyway,
>>so it is usually used to point out certain notes, like the entrance
>>of the subject in a fugue, or it may be the equivalent of an accent
>>mark. Maybe you could call detache' the opposite of tenuto, but it
>>isn't really.  daveA
>>
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