Re: [Tlf-devel] Autosend feature

[Andy Summers]

Tom, you are right that there is no means of determining what characters have been sent from cwdaemon when you have sent a word to it, or a series of characters. I realised this when I wrote a winkey server for cwdaemon (http://g4kno.com/software_it/jWinkeyServer/jWinkeyServer.html). Winkey provides a buffer and a pointer to the current location, but cwdaemon provides no means to pass this information back. This is essential if you want to edit the call after autosend starts. I'm not a slick CW op so I don't know how common that scenario is. Maybe Martin can tell us?

Of course, it's possible to modify cw daemon to implement a buffer and add the extra commands, but that's a whole other project :).

73 Andy, G4KNO.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Thomas Beierlein <address@hidden> wrote:

Hi Fred and Martin,

I remember working on that autosend problem some time ago as we
implented the ESC handling to stop CW or step back in fields. I just
retested and right it does not work as I expected.

As it seems that I did not really understand what that function should
do until now here is how I read your last mails:

- As soon as there are a minimum of characters (2..4) in the call input
  field tlf should start sending the call sign entered so far.
- you can type further in call input and tlf will add that characters
  to the sending call
- As soon as the keying buffer is empty it will react as if you had
  pressed Enter and complete with sending the exchange.
- If you finally press Enter the qso gets logged.

Is it that what you need?

Problems:
- How to handle calls shorter than that autostart value - use
  Enter as normally used?

- Trlog does the complete cw generation by itself. It therefore knows
  when the sending buffer is empty. Neither cwdaemon nor the usbdaemon
  gives us any feedback about that. So we have only to options:
  a) guess when the buffer MAY be empty (depending on the cw speed) or
  b) use a little timeout after each key (say 100ms, may also depend
  on the speed). If that runs out it means you are finished with the
  call sign and tlf should proceed with the exchange.

  I would prefer option b), it relatively easy to implement.
  Any other suggestions?

- Unluckily the different cwdaemon versions aroung (0.9.2, 0.9.4, 0.9.6
  and 0.9.7) are working differently. I hope that all will react the
  same way when implementing the above.

If I read your mails correctly the 'space' and 'down' handling to
start early can be dropped. In the light of Rein's mail you cited Fred
it seems they are only temporarily solutions.

73, de Tom DL1JBE


Am Tue, 05 Nov 2013 01:55:36 +0000
schrieb FS <address@hidden>:

> Ok, interesting indeed. The functionality is basicly there, but
> broken. I always wondered what such a important key like "space" does
> in TRLOG mode. Well, it just doesn't work like intended (arrow down
> is the same). The same is true for the :char command (autosend).
> See the original meaning:
> http://pa0r.blogspirit.com/archive/2005/03/29/autostart_cw_for_tlf.html
>
> I think its a bug. ;-)
>
> 73 Fred
>
> On 11/04/2013 07:39 PM, Martin Kratoska wrote:
> > Was: Re: [Tlf-devel] WAEDC QTC - v0.002 release :)
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> > Dne 3.11.2013 22:09, Fred Siegmund napsal(a):
> >  > Hi Martin, which autosend feature do you mean? I worked with
> >  > TRLOGLinux and was not very satisfied, namely
> >  > the bandmap is very slow and there some inherited things from the
> >  > original program that are very stupid. Like its
> >  > not possible to edit the complete log. These are points were a
> >  > distinct progression from TRLog is visible (already
> >  > developed by Rein).
> >  >
> >  > 73 Fred
> >
> >
> > Hi Fred,
> >
> > the Autosend feature is that which is in TRlog activated with
> >
> > AUTO CALL TERMINATE = TRUE
> > AUTO SEND CHARACTER COUNT = 4
> >
> > (here the autosend starts at 4th character). Better is an example:
> >
> > OK1RRA comes back to your CQ and you want to reply. So you type
> > OK1R (4 characters) and your program begins to send. You are now in
> > a hurry (a bit :-) because you must complete typing the whole call
> > till the sending procedure "catches" you, here you must add RA.
> > Then follows the exchange, the first ENTER logs in the QSO.
> >
> > Some OPs hate this option, some (me including) are in love with
> > this. Except typing the call, you need only a single ENTER to make
> > a complete QSO. Isn't nice such option? Also, many other progs have
> > this feature...
> >
> > Of course, I make thorough tests of any TRLOGLinux version but it is
> > still far away from an useful program. Many poor bottlenecks
> > inherited from the obsolete DOS version - not only the
> > impossibility to edit the complete log but the telnet operations,
> > the hardcoded (thus very limited) support of quite few radio
> > models, the predefined exchange types (an obvious quirk when the
> > program tries to think for the operator) and much more. Anyway,
> > TRlog (the original DOS version) introduced a new philosophy which
> > is still unbeaten today. tlf should get much inspiration here. QTC
> > handling in WAE is an example...
> >
> > CW/SSB contesters here know all the tricks of N1MM, TR4W, WriteLog
> > and other powerful software packages used by winners. I believe
> > that tlf should come close to these top runners. First if meets all
> > requirements of top grade CW/SSB contesters, we should start with
> > digimodes. Now (it seems at least to me) is too early, there is a
> > danger that we will have an "universal multimode" program which
> > does all, but does all quite bad, with many unnecessary typing etc.
> > which can make a program useless for a tired operator, who is in a
> > contest for whole weekend.
> >
> > Anyway, I am very happy with tlf. This is the reason of my support
> > of this software (TRLOGLinux and so2sdr being still ignored
> > here...). Kudos to all authors and contributors, also my apologies
> > that I am not a coder, I am just operator who can make some tests
> > and suggest and old, forgotten feature.
> >
> > 73,
> > Martin, OK1RR
> >
> >
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