Re: [Tlf-devel] Autosend feature

[Thomas Beierlein]

Hi Andy,

Am Tue, 5 Nov 2013 13:45:51 +0000
schrieb Andy Summers <address@hidden>:

> Tom, you are right that there is no means of determining what
> characters have been sent from cwdaemon when you have sent a word to
> it, or a series of characters. I realised this when I wrote a winkey
> server for cwdaemon
> ( http://g4kno.com/software_it/jWinkeyServer/jWinkeyServer.html).
> Winkey provides a buffer and a pointer to the current location, but
> cwdaemon provides no means to pass this information back. This is
> essential if you want to edit the call after autosend starts. I'm not
> a slick CW op so I don't know how common that scenario is. Maybe
> Martin can tell us?
>
I fear as soon as you got a call started (especially with a high
speed in contest) you will effectively not be able to correct the
letters you typed in.  

73, de Tom

> Of course, it's possible to modify cw daemon to implement a buffer
> and add the extra commands, but that's a whole other project :).
> 
> 73 Andy, G4KNO.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Thomas Beierlein <address@hidden>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Fred and Martin,
> >
> > I remember working on that autosend problem some time ago as we
> > implented the ESC handling to stop CW or step back in fields. I just
> > retested and right it does not work as I expected.
> >
> > As it seems that I did not really understand what that function
> > should do until now here is how I read your last mails:
> >
> > - As soon as there are a minimum of characters (2..4) in the call
> > input field tlf should start sending the call sign entered so far.
> > - you can type further in call input and tlf will add that
> > characters to the sending call
> > - As soon as the keying buffer is empty it will react as if you had
> >   pressed Enter and complete with sending the exchange.
> > - If you finally press Enter the qso gets logged.
> >
> > Is it that what you need?
> >
> > Problems:
> > - How to handle calls shorter than that autostart value - use
> >   Enter as normally used?
> >
> > - Trlog does the complete cw generation by itself. It therefore
> > knows when the sending buffer is empty. Neither cwdaemon nor the
> > usbdaemon gives us any feedback about that. So we have only to
> > options: a) guess when the buffer MAY be empty (depending on the cw
> > speed) or b) use a little timeout after each key (say 100ms, may
> > also depend on the speed). If that runs out it means you are
> > finished with the call sign and tlf should proceed with the
> > exchange.
> >
> >   I would prefer option b), it relatively easy to implement.
> >   Any other suggestions?
> >
> > - Unluckily the different cwdaemon versions aroung (0.9.2, 0.9.4,
> > 0.9.6 and 0.9.7) are working differently. I hope that all will
> > react the same way when implementing the above.
> >
> > If I read your mails correctly the 'space' and 'down' handling to
> > start early can be dropped. In the light of Rein's mail you cited
> > Fred it seems they are only temporarily solutions.
> >
> > 73, de Tom DL1JBE
> >
> >
> > Am Tue, 05 Nov 2013 01:55:36 +0000
> > schrieb FS <address@hidden>:
> >
> > > Ok, interesting indeed. The functionality is basicly there, but
> > > broken. I always wondered what such a important key like "space"
> > > does in TRLOG mode. Well, it just doesn't work like intended
> > > (arrow down is the same). The same is true for the :char command
> > > (autosend). See the original meaning:
> > > http://pa0r.blogspirit.com/archive/2005/03/29/autostart_cw_for_tlf.html
> > >
> > > I think its a bug. ;-)
> > >
> > > 73 Fred
> > >
> > > On 11/04/2013 07:39 PM, Martin Kratoska wrote:
> > > > Was: Re: [Tlf-devel] WAEDC QTC - v0.002 release :)
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > > > Dne 3.11.2013 22:09, Fred Siegmund napsal(a):
> > > >  > Hi Martin, which autosend feature do you mean? I worked with
> > > >  > TRLOGLinux and was not very satisfied, namely
> > > >  > the bandmap is very slow and there some inherited things
> > > >  > from the original program that are very stupid. Like its
> > > >  > not possible to edit the complete log. These are points were
> > > >  > a distinct progression from TRLog is visible (already
> > > >  > developed by Rein).
> > > >  >
> > > >  > 73 Fred
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Fred,
> > > >
> > > > the Autosend feature is that which is in TRlog activated with
> > > >
> > > > AUTO CALL TERMINATE = TRUE
> > > > AUTO SEND CHARACTER COUNT = 4
> > > >
> > > > (here the autosend starts at 4th character). Better is an
> > > > example:
> > > >
> > > > OK1RRA comes back to your CQ and you want to reply. So you type
> > > > OK1R (4 characters) and your program begins to send. You are
> > > > now in a hurry (a bit :-) because you must complete typing the
> > > > whole call till the sending procedure "catches" you, here you
> > > > must add RA. Then follows the exchange, the first ENTER logs in
> > > > the QSO.
> > > >
> > > > Some OPs hate this option, some (me including) are in love with
> > > > this. Except typing the call, you need only a single ENTER to
> > > > make a complete QSO. Isn't nice such option? Also, many other
> > > > progs have this feature...
> > > >
> > > > Of course, I make thorough tests of any TRLOGLinux version but
> > > > it is still far away from an useful program. Many poor
> > > > bottlenecks inherited from the obsolete DOS version - not only
> > > > the impossibility to edit the complete log but the telnet
> > > > operations, the hardcoded (thus very limited) support of quite
> > > > few radio models, the predefined exchange types (an obvious
> > > > quirk when the program tries to think for the operator) and
> > > > much more. Anyway, TRlog (the original DOS version) introduced
> > > > a new philosophy which is still unbeaten today. tlf should get
> > > > much inspiration here. QTC handling in WAE is an example...
> > > >
> > > > CW/SSB contesters here know all the tricks of N1MM, TR4W,
> > > > WriteLog and other powerful software packages used by winners.
> > > > I believe that tlf should come close to these top runners.
> > > > First if meets all requirements of top grade CW/SSB contesters,
> > > > we should start with digimodes. Now (it seems at least to me)
> > > > is too early, there is a danger that we will have an "universal
> > > > multimode" program which does all, but does all quite bad, with
> > > > many unnecessary typing etc. which can make a program useless
> > > > for a tired operator, who is in a contest for whole weekend.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, I am very happy with tlf. This is the reason of my
> > > > support of this software (TRLOGLinux and so2sdr being still
> > > > ignored here...). Kudos to all authors and contributors, also
> > > > my apologies that I am not a coder, I am just operator who can
> > > > make some tests and suggest and old, forgotten feature.
> > > >
> > > > 73,
> > > > Martin, OK1RR
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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