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Garreau\, Alexandre |
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Re: [Audio-video] http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text |
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Sat, 19 Jul 2014 21:02:33 +0200 |
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On 2014-07-19 at 01:04, Richard Stallman wrote:
> In political debate, it is a mistake to dismiss a disagreement as
> "purely linguistic" -- because everything is a matter of language.
>
> Meanings are expressed by words. What we stand for is a meaning, and
> we express it in words. Other words express other meanings, including
> some that are mistaken and some that disagree with us.
The meaning of a word is never universal (except in /newspeak/ of 1984,
or in lojban… err… no… not even lojban), here we all agree on the
meanings and on the ideas, but not on the words to use to name
them. That’s what Luca named a “purely linguistic” issue.
> The practical goal of the organizers of "Liberty 0" is to encourage
> free software developers to design for accessibility. We support that
> goal. However, the way that campaign is formulated, claiming that
> functionality is part of liberty, is a confusion we can't accept.
We simply use a word to mean something wider, but we still have the same
ideas and goals.
> To those organizers: if you reformulate the campaign, keeping the goal
> but without that claim, there would be no disagreement and we could
> endorse your campaign.
We can’t because we need this “purely linguistic” way of recalling the
strong link between what you call “freedom” (and I call “social freedom”
or “right”) and what you call “functionality” or “capacity” (and I call
“technical freedom” or “ability”).
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- Re: [Audio-video] [Liberté 0] Re: http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text, (continued)
- Re: [Audio-video] [Liberté 0] Re: http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text, Garreau\, Alexandre, 2014/07/27
- Re: [Audio-video] http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe, 2014/07/30
- Re: [Audio-video] http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text, Richard Stallman, 2014/07/30
- Re: [Audio-video] http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text, Garreau\, Alexandre, 2014/07/30
- Re: [Audio-video] http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text, Richard Stallman, 2014/07/31
- Re: [Audio-video] http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text, Richard Stallman, 2014/07/31
- Re: [Audio-video] http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text, Garreau\, Alexandre, 2014/07/19
- Re: [Audio-video] http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text, Richard Stallman, 2014/07/19
- Re: [Audio-video] http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text, Garreau\, Alexandre, 2014/07/20
- Re: [Audio-video] http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text, Richard Stallman, 2014/07/18
- Re: [Audio-video] http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text,
Garreau\, Alexandre <=
- Re: [Audio-video] http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text, Samuel Thibault, 2014/07/21
- Re: [Audio-video] [Liberté 0] Re: http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text, Armony ALTINIER, 2014/07/18
- Re: [Audio-video] [Liberté 0] Re: http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text, Luca Saiu, 2014/07/18
- Re: [Audio-video] [Liberté 0] Re: http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text, Armony ALTINIER, 2014/07/19
- Re: [Libert 0] Re: [Audio-video] http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text, Richard Stallman, 2014/07/19
- Re: [Audio-video] [Liberté 0] Re: http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text, Quiliro Ordóñez Baca, 2014/07/18
- Re: [Audio-video] [Liberté 0] Re: http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text, Armony ALTINIER, 2014/07/19
- Re: [Audio-video] [Liberté 0] Re: http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text, Quiliro Ordóñez Baca, 2014/07/19
- Re: [Audio-video] [Liberté 0] Re: http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text, Armony ALTINIER, 2014/07/19
- Re: [Audio-video] [Liberté 0] Re: http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text, Garreau\, Alexandre, 2014/07/19