Re: [Phpgroupware-developers] Re: Serious PHPGroupware

[Miles Lott]

I reckon I am feeling fiesty as well.  But that's not a great leap
for me as you may know.  BTW, I am now solely an outside observer of
this
project.  Sorry, no further details from me in this forum.
Anyway, I will also take the bait.

Dan Kuykendall wrote:
> As far as handing it off, who has even shown a tiny bit of the
> leadership to take over the project? If I saw someone who wanted and
> showed that they could run it better and put more energy into the
> project, then the rest of the developers would naturally follow behind
> this person. I do not "own" the project, I am just do what I can to help

The project is not his to hand off, unless the rest of the remaining
'core team' allow it.  Glad to see you finally state this fact.
BTW, I may not be a leader, but I understand well the importance of a
dissenting opinion.  I also understand the importance of not throwing
molitov cocktails into the code base.

> Dont forget that a year ago it became clear that my new job was not
> going to allow me as much time for the project, so I stopped being the
> single "leader" of the project and instead we switched to a coreteam of
> five that were the "leadership team". Even then things havent picked up
> because everyones time tends to get cut into by other responsibilities.

Let's not confuse everyone.  It was not your decision to create the core
leadership team.  In fact you fought it tooth and nail.  I cannot
explain
why people continue to follow you, but that is their choice.

> > I don't intend this to be inflamatory,
> 
> Yeah right, you intend it to be, in at least to get my attention.
> 
> > just to understand
> > where the project is going and in what time frame.  It's a great project
> > with alot of potential that I feel is stifled in a pre-1.0 state for
> > some unknown set of reasons.

Those reasons were primarily a ridiculously long release schedule
brought
about in part by the following (as stated above):  jengo's hiatus,
dan's,
skeeter's, ceb's, and my irl jobs.  That and the bickering about the
email
app, gif vs. png, and the coreteam arrangement.  Oh, and the fact that i
am too rough on new developers, so they say.

> I agree that this is a great project and this pre-1.0 crap needs to end.
> I have made it known several times over the last two months that I
> intend that the next release be 1.0. Here is an email I sent out a few
> weeks ago. I have more to follow up on this and will send out more about
> this later.

What is clear is that you 'intend' to make something happen via public
opinion
instead of by way of the voting standard which was agreed upon.  This is
not
a shock to me.  Again, I cannot explain why the others seem to fall in
line.
Maybe they don't, but it is hard to tell when they are largely silent.

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Miles Lott