Re: [Phpgroupware-developers] My ISP

[Bob Crandell]

Dave Hall (address@hidden) wrote:
>
>Bob Crandell <address@hidden> wrote:
>
>> Chris Weiss (address@hidden) wrote:
>> >
>> >Bob Crandell (address@hidden) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >
>> >>
>> >> What I would like to see is the ability to copy a group.  For
>> example, set up the
>> >> Default group just the way you like it.  Now copy it to other
>> groups.  Make a
>> >> few, if any, changes and just add users.
>> >
>> >hm, a group can belong to another group right?
>> No.  Use some group as a master, click a "Copy" button to create a
>> new group that
>> has all the attributes and give it a different name.  Wahlah!  New
>> group already configured.
>
>What is the purpose of copying the group?  Really I see very little
>benefit from this feature.
>
>If it is to grant access to apps.  Then simply create a group for each
>app and add the users to that group - messy but will work.
Imagine a group that already has all the ACLs and preferences setup.  How long 
did
it take to set the ACLs for the Addressbook, Bookmarks, Calendar, Filemanager,
Infolog, Inventory, Notes, and on and on to an ever growing list of modules?  
Then
go back through and set the default preferences in the Addressbook, email and 
...

Compare that with click on the "Copy" button.  Type in name.  Now mutlply this 
by
more than you normally deal with.

Backing up and taking in the bigger picture.  These poor people paid enough for
these stupid computers.  Make the computers do the repetitious stuff.

Imagine the product review, "Not only does it have a pretty face but 
phpGroupWare
practically configures itself."

>
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Adding users with the phpGroupWare interface should add a Linux
>> user.  Deleting a
>> >> user should have the _option_ of deleting that user's home
>> directory.  I seem to
>> >> have a vague recollection of someone asking about this in the
>> distant past.
>> >
>> >This is a whole lot harder than it sounds, but I have a working
>> add-on in the
>> >shadows which does exactly this.  I'll tidy it up as soon as I
>> finish an
>> >unrelated project and put it in CVS.
>> This admin is a Windows kind of guy.  The fewer interfaces he has
>> to deal with the
>> less confused he'll be.
>> Adding a Linux user is working in Webmin.  I'm glad your's is
>> close to working too.
>> I'm planning on implimenting LDAP but neither phpGroupWare nor I
>> am ready for that yet.
>>
>
>fips @ probiz is currently working on fixing the LDAP support in 16 for
>us.  From what I have heard we should see something pretty soon.  As for
>setting up LDAP - I used to stuff it up all the time, but once you have
>done it once it is easy.  Run up a simple debian woody box, grab a howto
>and play.  If you stuff it up start over :)
I don't use Debian but I do have a Slackware box setup for this.  Now if only I 
had
time...

>
>For an ISP which is hosting so many things, LDAP would make life a lot
>easier.  Maybe check out - http://ispman.sourceforge.net/
Amen, brother, preach it.  I manage a couple of Netware boxes too.  Talk about 
easy.
 The part that's throwing me is setting it up from scratch.  All I really need 
is to
be able to sit down and focus on it for a day (or less?)  Then there would be no
looking back.

>
>Cheers
>
>Dave
>
Oh, and by the way.  I'm not looking to argue the pros and cons of any of this
stuff.  I'm just trying to make it as easy as possible for the administrators.

Thanks for a great product.

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