Re: [Phpgroupware-developers] darn near email done, merge notification (fwd)

[ceb]

Michael,
thanks for your comment. i agree with your thoughts. the way we discuss
has to stay friendly, and we have to take seriosly the thoughts of all
of the persons belong to our project. the last i want to see is angles
leaves the project :) he is an very active developer, improved the email app
in a great way (which was mentioned already several times).

since we had this situation already with the 0.9.12 release, i would like
to ask angles if he can not see the sense of a feature freeze to
get a stable release or if this last changes on the email app were meant
as bug fixes.

since this problem from 0.9.12 seems to repeat now, i get the impression
this last discussion didnt have an acceptable result...

at this point we created already the branch for the 0.9.14 release plus
rpm's and tarballs's. there are maybe people already testing the
applications, and i know for sure the people in 13 companies where i
work as administrator and in my university are testing the RC1 now. these
people aren't involved in the discussions on this mailinglist and also
haven't any experiences in coding etc...
im sure it would be a nice mess if some apps in the RC2 of 0.9.14 would
work in a different way than they did in RC1...
and why the RC1 should be tested at all if in RC2 the code is different
and maybe also the bugs?

k, you could say its only the email app which changed. but why shouldn't
also other developers go ahead and add more features to their apps in
RC2 if angles does it?

the development time for the 0.9.14 went very long. someone mentioned
maybe the time from announcement until the final feature freeze was too
short. but i guess there could be always something you get in your mind
'last minute'.

there has to be one way which is valid for all developers. if angles adds
features to email after the feature freeze is in place, all other
developers should have the right to do it as well. and the result of this
would be we could stop doing any RC tests...

ceb

> I'm not a developer here, so maybe my 2¢ aren't worth anything, but at least
> I've been heavily using and testing phpgroupware since before 0.9.10 and I
> actually consider installing it as the one and only groupware in my company.
>
> Also I do pay someone for creating an addressbook replacement that fits our
> needs much better than the actual one. Hopefully this can make it into CVS
> for HEAD pretty soon. And I also hope the same work isn't done twice with
> cdb.
>
> But this discussion drives me nuts. So I have to tell you my impressions.
>
> On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 04:00:19PM -0600, Miles Lott wrote:
> > This is very simple.  I am weary of being forced to think
> > about it once again.  The facts of the situation have been
> > explained to you ad nauseum.  If you don't like it, too bad.
> > If you cannot accept it, then please leave.
>
> That is not exactly the way a project manager should react. Being project
> manager is something different from president.
>
> I'm not willing to comment on the feature/bug fix discussion but it should
> be held in a muchmore friendly way. To me the whole situation is quite
> simple, either there are bugs in 14, then fix them or there aren't, then do
> not touch it.
>
> And a discussion about bug or feature could be done much more friendly.
>
> Michael
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